Sunday 5 May 2024

Derbyshire v Sussex day 3


Derbyshire 246 and 109 (Seales 5-29)

Sussex 479 (Pujara 113, Dupavillon 3-89, Morley 3-117)

Sussex won by an innings and 124 runs

I predicted a draw in this game on the radio on Friday night, my caveat being that one team had to make a real mess of things, given the weather forecast at the time.

Step forward Derbyshire 

That was pretty awful to watch. On a pitch where the Sussex tail scored runs largely at will in the morning, the Derbyshire batting offered all the resistance of a balsa wood bat in the afternoon, producing another anaemic display that has to make one question the coaching set up.

I don't think these are bad players. In some cases they are very good, but the bottom line is that the level of performance this summer hasn't been close to acceptable from a supporter's perspective. In any sport, that's where you question the input of the coaching staff and there's currently one fundamental question to answer.

Has the current set up improved any player at the club? I am not convinced that they have and after the bright new dawn of the first season under Mickey Arthur, the good ship Derbyshire is in danger of running aground on the rocks. I hope that Samit Patel and Ross Whiteley have got their Superman outfits ready for T20, because we will otherwise struggle desperately at this rate.

One has to question the apparently authoritarian manner of the Head of Cricket and ask if it is working and the answer appears to be no. Harsh questions need to be asked, because this is as bad as I have seen, with a squad that is not the worst we have had by a long chalk. I was critical of Dave Houghton when performances dipped to unacceptable levels and this was every bit as bad. 

One would also question a Derbyshire side that features no player from the county's own set up. I'm not saying they would do better, I'm not claiming the players in the side aren't trying. But if we are going to capitulate in such a fashion, then we could hardly do worse with Conners, Wagstaff, Whiteley and Potts in the eleven.

Wagstaff scored 82 and took 4-29 for Alvaston and Boulton yesterday. Whiteley scored a hundred last time out for the second team. Conners was left out for this one when he is unlikely to play any T20, so I see no logic in the omission from a 'rest' perspective  Instead he took 4-36 for Ockbrook and Borrowash at Belper. I'm not claiming the standard is the same, but these are performances that should justify consideration, at the very least.

After Dupavillon and Morley bowled pretty well in the morning, Derbyshire were blown away in the afternoon by a Sussex side a country mile ahead of them in performance. Jayden Seales bowled fast and straight and the batting did the rest. We bowled short at tail enders, they used the pitch and their heads in equal measure.

Last week I suggested that a first innings limitation of a hundred overs might move four day cricket along. We batted 89 overs across two innings here.

Woeful is an opposite word. 

There are plenty of others.

27 comments:

  1. Pretty speechless at the moment after that performance. There must be a massive disconnect between the players and the Head Coach? Attitude, mindset and commitment all spring forth as current issues. The upcoming break in the Championship has arrived in a timely manner. But what next for Derbyshire?

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  2. I hope the coach fronts up and does an interview about this. I'm still a fan of his but he only seems to pop up when we do well, when we do poorly he tends to go awol

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  3. If Derbyshire CC where a football with such results then the manager - coach would be clearing his desk tomorrow morning!!
    I was a member a few years ago, but there is no way I would consider renewing it based on current performances & results. Mike

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  4. I hope that both the Derbyshire batters and bowlers took notice of the Sussex appproach to batting and bowling on the County ground pitch.
    Ian. South Africa.

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  5. Well, Derbyshire are brilliant in one area of cricket: batting collapses. This afternoon was woeful.

    Dave Fletcher on BBC Radio Derby remarked more than once that Seales was too quick for the Derbyshire batsmen. It seems he was. But we had Dupavillon and Tickner bowling just as quick, and they caused Sussex few problems. The Sussex players scored at will, dabbing a two here, a single there, and what seemed like a four every over. When we batted second time around, we looked like a village green team, not a team that, according to Mickey, is one he has created to win something.

    Following Mickey’s arrival, the indications were that we were a team on the up. Having a top international coach in charge would, finally, bring some success, so the thinking went. And we saw a big improvement in the performance of some players, most notably Guest and Dal.

    At the moment, success looks no nearer that it was under Dave Houghton. We keep repeating the same mistakes of previous seasons. We can’t bowl a team out for under 250 and we struggle to bat beyond 250. This season, only Thomson has taken more than five wickets in an innings, and only Madsen has scored a century. We are erratic with both bat and ball. And we’ve dropped at least 15 catches.

    Mickey is an engaging character and he talks a good game. But I’m beginning to wonder if this is all sales patter. The performances on the pitch are not matching up to what we have been told to expect.

    On the other hand, maybe the truth is that we have a squad of good players, but none who are world class players. Madsen has been a marvellous player. He has notched up 47 centuries in all competitions. Pujara, in contrast, registered his 99th century today.

    The reality is that not even Mickey can make a silk purse out of a sow’s ear.

    I too would like to see our home-grown players given more opportunities. We need to have one eye on the future with our squad.

    Will we perform better in the T20? I still think we will, given that this format suits the likes of Donald, Whitely, Patel, and Brown. But maybe that’s wishful thinking.

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  6. I really don't know where we go from here. There seem to be serious issues within the club, does this stem from the Head Coach? In reality we are a first class county in name only.
    To "bet the farm" on One day success relying on Patel and Whiteley doesn't fill me with any confidence whatsoever.
    Also, PF although you quite rightly cited some good performances in the DCCL this weekend, it has to be acknowledged that the quality of cricket in the leagues is very poor.
    No light at the end of the tunnel if we are relying on local boys to drag us out of the mire.

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  7. Totally agree with your comments Steve. As we'd say up here 'summats amiss'.

    Embarrassing, and we've certainly had experience of that in the past, but this really is topping it off

    Andy

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  8. I agree that the squad has the talent we need in it.

    A club like ours though needs a coach that can get more than the sum out of the squad's parts and Arthur is doing the exact opposite. Performances have been woeful and confidence looks shot.

    The lack of homegrown players is disheartening as well. Wagstaff deserves a shot.

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  9. Ouch.
    This had to be down to the coach I'm afraid. Said last season this, MA's third year was make or break. The damning fact is, its gone backwards. We have to win the next two (weather permitting) when the four day game returns. As Steve states, these are not bad players, but to be playing so badly kind of speaks for itself.
    Mike in the comment above asks what next for Derbyshire? Interesting times is the answer to that.

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  10. Just watcthed Mickey being interviewed, and I have to say the man is clearly and genuinely hurting and almost looked close to tears. I believe he is genuine and desperately wants to deliver but unfortunately it's just not happening.But this afternoon was utterly Shambolic and an embassment beyound words.But most of us saw us as a T20 and 50 over side.
    But were this to caputulate in the same manner then it's hard to see anything but massive changes next winter.I personally would love a one to one chat with Mickey I've got so many questions I would respectfully like to ask him. Number one is this why Mickey do opposing sides bowl at the stumps and we clearly from my position on the ground don't.? I accept he's a professional coach and I'm not.Time and again we bowl wide of the stumps, the old adage you miss then I hit.Are the bowlers trying to bowl straight Mickey but can't.?Or are you telling them to bowl somewhere else. Because I desperately want to know just exactly what is our bowling strategy.We appear to bowl more for an edge than to hit the Stumps, but then what happens is we bowl to wide and give to many 4 balls away.As for the Batting well where do you start.
    Steve jr

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  11. Agree with a good deal of other comments.

    Without being close to what is going on or any possible cause, it appears to this outside observer a classic case of the Management losing the dressing room.

    Hard truths need to be aired and a way forward agreed to at least stabilise the position.

    It’s a sad (and strangely gruesome) position to witness

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  12. I've got a sat solution and I'm confident it will work. The batters become the bowlers and the bowlers become the batters.Wayne bats at 11 to give us a long tail so he enters and keeps the stike we go from 100 for 9 to 600 all out. Wayne then also opens the bowling to keep him loose for batting.Brook Guest keeps wicket while bowling from the other end at the same time.Oh and Luis Reece bowls one left arm delivery followed by one right arm delivery.And finally the clincher would be Mickey Arthur is the umpire. And the name of this type of cricket is ? well that's easy because we already play it. It's called MONTY PYTHON CRICKET. Now theirs a thing what about Basil Fawlty as captain.
    Steve jr

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  13. We are lacking a talisman in the team currently, a Masood or du Plooy. We have some fine players, but we miss a stand out player, to give the others some swagger. I wouldn't have rested Thomson, he's a reliable performer. Kris

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    1. but he is a Somerset supporter, well John Cleese is Malbar

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  14. Now that was really dispiriting. Sussex are no world-beaters but they put us to the sword. From this point in, success will mean not being bottom of the D2 pile.

    I knew I shouldn’t have booked the hotel for tonight. Dovedale traffic on a Bank Holiday it is then. Though my blood pressure likely to be lower than this afternoon, even there….

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  15. I think this Sussex side was a fine outfit personally. Not many cricketers I'd kick out of my side. Kris

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  16. Jeez, this is just awful. I had a look at the season's averages on cricinfo. It should carry a health warning. https://www.espncricinfo.com/records/tournament/averages-batting-bowling-by-team/county-championship-division-two-2024-15938?team=955
    Batting wise, we've scored ten 50s and one hundred in pretty much 7 innings across the whole team (one being a Zak Chappell slog-a-thon). That's less than 2 scores of 50 an innings. Horrendous.
    But wait, the bowling...
    Thompson aside, no-one has taken more than 3 wickets in an innings. No one. And of course he needed to be rested for this match. Almost unbelievably bad.
    This is where Mickey has to earn his wages or be shown the door before the September round of championship games. If he can turn it around he's a coach we want to keep, if he can't he looks more and more like a coach who got lucky with Shan Masood in his first season.
    This is awful, Derbyshire, just awful.
    Robert D

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  17. Chesterfield Blue5 May 2024 at 21:17

    Mickey Arthur out, oh well it must be close?

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  18. MA says he'll give the players a couple of days off !! There is a 2nd team game starting tomorrow and apart from Lloyd and Madsen nursing injuries and the two overseas the other seven should all feature as they are woefully out of form. It's not as if there is anyone in the seconds pushing for a first team start apart from Whitely and Wagstaff .

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  19. Chesterfield Blue5 May 2024 at 21:28

    Another thing we have to consider here re Mickey Arthur is that he's no connection or love for Derbyshire, he'd probably had no clue about us before we called for his services a few years ago. So quite frankly he won't be giving two s. s that we're in this dire position five games in to the season, but us loyal supporters do, we're sick of seeing the same rubbish served up on a weekly basis season after season.
    I expected so much better after the winter recruitment, but we look like repeating last seasons total of no wins and wooden spoon winners, which is unacceptable

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    1. Have to disagree strongly with some fans who say Mickey doesn't care he cares alright have they seen his interview after the game. ? The man's distraught with emotion and clearly immensely disappointed. To criticise his tactics and selection is fair enough they have every right to do that. But their being grossly unfair to say he doesn't care. Also to say he probably knew nothing about Derbyshire and doesn't care about the County again I can't agree. He's a professional coach he earns his living from cricket.He will not take kindly to his current failure with Derbyshire and it will without doubt matter to his professional pride. I'm with some supporters on some of his dubious selections and odd tactics.But I don't doubt his desire for Derbyshire to be successful.I overheard some shameful comments this afternoon about his desire and commitment It took me all my time to keep my mouth shut but thankfully I accepted its none of my business so I kept out of it But the comments were grossly unfair and frankly ignorant in my opinion. Also I have to mention I informed half a dozen people about the plight of the Tickner family. Much to my disgust not a single one of them was remotely interested none of them uttered a word or turned their heads towards me. Make no mistake they clearly heard what I was saying to them.They just weren't interested. Thinking about it is it not a,sign of the times. To many by that I mean a significant minority can't walk a mile in another mans/woman's shoes.,I won't forget today in a hurry and not just for cricket reasons.

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  20. This was an utterly pitiful display, by any standards. The team selection was ludicrous - why ‘rest’ our most successful bowler this season? Why drop Came to allow Lloyd to imagine he’s good enough to open the innings? Is Conners a decent bowler or not and if (as I believe) he is, why drop him? The whole thing is an utter mess. We’ve signed a great SLA for one day - why can’t we play him in first class? I could go on. Like many others I’m sick and tired of DCCC being a joke. Time something changed.
    Andy T

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  21. We've often talked about elite football managers not being able to handle lower league clubs.

    Pep or Jurgen managing Forest Green Rovers or my other team, Bonnyrigg Rose over the Border might be good comparisons.

    I don't believe, for a second, that MA doesn't care and really hope he can turn it around.
    The dressing room can't be a happy place right now.

    Andy

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  22. I also believe Mickey genuinely cares about the club. He wants to be a winner, not a loser.

    In his interview yesterday, he admitted to being baffled about why everything looks good when the team trains, but on the field, for some reason, it's a different story. Right from the start of the game against Sussex we were poor. In our first innings, we collapsed from 50-1 to 163-8, and in the second innings we went from 71-2 to 109 all out. There's a pattern here. Is it technique? Is it mindset? Is it something else? I've no idea.

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  23. First of all, anyone suggesting MA doesn't care needs to have a word with themselves.

    However, failure to progress out of the group stages of the T20 will result in a crescendo of outside 'noise' which will prove impossible to ignore for the DCCC hierarchy, and rightly so.

    I have previously commented on these being worrying times, not just for DCCC, but the structure of first class cricket in general.

    As for MA, last year there were murmurings, particularly about the Godleman situation. Of course you don't necessarily get both sides of any story, but those whispers allied to performances thus far, do give this correspondent cause for concern.

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