Tuesday 6 September 2011

Smith - the talking point

One of the talking points on the blog in recent weeks has been Greg Smith and his likely departure from the club. I'm still a long way from convinced that there are numerous offers out there for the mercurial all-rounder and I've gone on record with my comments on his contributions to the club. I think he has a lot of talent, but he hasn't yet scored the runs nor taken the wickets that such talent should do.

The question remains, however, as to how we would replace him if he goes.There appears to be an all-rounder in the making in Peter Burgoyne, but it would be foolish to suggest that he could be a first team regular next season. Jonathan Clare could theoretically move up to number six or seven, but his batting has not yet revealed the consistency of such an important role.

I've been very impressed by the form this season of Gloucestershire's Will Gidman, who is closing in on a thousand runs at an average of over 40, while taking 43 wickets so far at just 22 runs each. I would suggest that makes him a contender for most improved player of the year by a distance. Nothing in his previous record at Durham suggested he was capable of such form, but he has moved to a county where he has been given responsibility and a fresh start and has thrived. A batting average of 12 and a bowling one that was nothing to shout about suggested that John Bracewell had made a mistake, but full credit to the Kiwi coach, he has produced a fine player for his county side.

That being the case, I'm just wondering whether a move for Ben Harmison might not be a bad idea if Smith goes? Like Gidman, Harmison junior has been a victim of his club's success and has struggled to establish himself. While his batting average in the twenties and bowling one in the thirties is nothing to get overly excited about, given his minimal opportunity it is not the worst either, positively Bradmanesque compared to Gidman's 'previous'.

I previously discounted the player as not being good enough for us, but perhaps I was hasty. Three centuries and seven fifties suggests a player who can play, while four 4-wicket innings highlights ability with the ball. Yes, two of those centuries came against lesser sides, but as things stand I am unaware of another player who is on the market that could step into this crucial role any better.

He will be 26 next summer. Too old to earn any money for us (most of which would go to Durham anyway) but having played enough cricket, like Wes Durston, to know his game pretty well. At his best, confident and, importantly, appreciated, he could turn out to be a good and affordable cricketer.

If we assume that Luke Sutton will gradually be replaced by Tom Poynton in the next couple of years - as has to happen, as Poynton is an increasingly able cricketer with bat and gloves - then the Derbyshire engine room will be crucial.

Irrespective of the makeup of the top five batting roles, having Whiteley, Harmison, Poynton and Clare in whatever order at 6-9 gives a combination of youth and vitality. Whiteley at present looks more of a batting all-rounder, while Harmison is perhaps at present the opposite. Clare has the ability to be the real deal as an all-rounder, especially if he can sort his footwork and technique early in his innings. With a good season behind him, he can winter in the knowledge that his shoulder is now A1 and he is ready to take the next step.

Much can happen in the course of a winter's fitness and net work. If we were to pick up Harmison and the Gidman effect happened with him, if Ross Whiteley's work with Mike Hendrick pays off as a bowler and Clare returns to the fray invigorated, we could have three fine all-rounders in there. Add in Poynton's boisterous stroke play and there is a lot of things to be excited about.

The side could then be completed with what the wicket requires. Knight if it is likely to turn, two seamers if not. Even before we consider an overseas player, the following notional twelve has a lot of potential:

Madsen
Borrington
Hughes
Durston
Redfern
Whiteley
Harmison
Clare
Poynton
Groenewald
Palladino
Knight

Add in Marks Turner and Footitt and there's competition for places again.

Of course, as always I welcome your thoughts...

15 comments:

  1. As a Gloucestershire supporter, I agree about Will Gidman being a revelation. However, there is one point I should make, and that is that he played virtually no cricket for Durham. I think he played one first-class match (for a given value of first class as it was against Durham UCCE). So from that point of view, his "previous record" was too short to make any meaningful judgement. All Bracewell had to go on was Alex Gidman's advice - and it is rumoured that he said his brother was in fact a better player than he was, and that's something this season's stats would support - he's been outstanding and is one of three reasons why the Shire are doing so well (the others being Chris Taylor and the outgoing Jon Lewis).

    Harmison, on the other hand, has had quite a few chances for Durham and although he's often shown promise he's never quite made them count. I think, from your point of view, that would make him quite a gamble. However, Derbyshire have gambled on Wes Durston, a player who never quite made it at Somerset despite numerous chances, and I have to admit that's paying off handsomely for you.

    Hope that's of interest.

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  2. Interesting thoughts Peakfan (and Doctorhuw ). I suppose we shall just have to wait and see who becomes available. Harmison is certainly worth considering,but doubtless others will emerge. We still have talent within the club aswell.

    Like many,i hope Lineker gets another crack of the whip and there is Borrington and Poynton to consider. Poynton could even play solely as a batsman. I think he has the makings of a good one. This,combined with the possibility of an overseas batsman makes Smith,s position untenable in my opinion. His stats simply do not merit a new contract.

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  3. How about Neil Edwards from Nottinghamshire as a potential signing who could help to solve our opening batting problems.
    He's nearly 28, so in the peak of his career, but we wouldn't get money for playing him.

    Currently he seems to be out of favour with Nottinghamshire after a poor season and hasn't played for the first team since July. Yet he has a career average of 31.48 and most of that in the top division.

    If a settlement could be agreed with Notts and we could agree terms with him, i think someone of his calibre would be a fantastic signing.

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  4. Smith dropped for tomorrow's game against Kent, according to website as he's not in squad and no mention of any injury.



    The Derbyshire squad in full is as follows: Martin Guptill, Matt Lineker, Paul Borrington, Wayne Madsen, Wes Durston, Dan Redfern, Ross Whiteley, Luke Sutton, Jonathan Clare, Tim Groenewald, Tony Palladino, Mark Footitt and Tom Knight.

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  5. Neil Edwards when not injured has been poor for 2 years at Notts and wouldn't want him. Remember he padded his stats with runs at Taunton.

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  6. At long last Krik has seen the light. Borrington deserves a chance anyway. Hardly going to be ideal conditions for batting but i hope he and Lineker can get a few runs (not to exclude the others).

    I must admit i have a few doubts about Edwards myself. He,s hasn,t exactly covered himself in glory in recent times. It seems a risky choice to get rid of one failure (Smith) and replace him with someone who has equally poor stats. I also don,t believe we need another opener. Much better to find a solid middle order player.

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  7. Good areas covered tonight and pretty much covers what I was thinking about driving home tonight. Great minds eh? Or dull ones, some might say.......

    Anyway, much to re=state some past comments, but perhaps more to the point. With Smith likely gone, only Whiteley offers a realistic all rounder option able to hold a top six place and, with it, a genuine fifth bowler option. Clare might fulfill the role in time and, maybe, Burgoyne even further down he line. Our only other options are batsmen, who bowl a bit. So, we really do need some cover.

    Looking at the options on the home circuit, I don't think there are many, so Harmison Junior is worth a closer look. Pity Wainwright wasn't just a bit more telling with the bat, but to elevate him much higher than eight or, at a push, seven would be asking a lot overnight.

    Decent overseas all rounders are normally attractive IPL options, so the chances are our foreign signing will more likely be a batsman. So, unless that young South African with Somerset fancies a move, Mr Ben could be worth a punt.

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  8. Thanks to all of you, especially Doctorhuw! Yes, Gidman's Durham cricket was mainly one day and indicated little of his current form. Maybe Harmison needs more responsibility and opportunity and only then would we know whether he had real ability or was another James Graham-Brown.

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  9. I can't see us getting Will Gidman because if he left Gloucestershire then other counties would offer him more money than us. The chairman seems only interested in the 'publicity' signings but Will Gidman would, whilst probably not high profile, be very useful for us. We would have more chance of signing Ben Harmison who with a point to prove might be useful.
    Ben

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  10. Sorry Ben, picked me up wrong! The article is not about signing Gidman, who is under contract, but Harmison, who isn't.
    Think you're unfair in your comment on the chairman when he's not yet had the chance to sign anyone! We'll see who or what he's interested in - or rather who Krikk is interested in - when the contracts are up at the end of the month.

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  11. Smith signed for Essex a month ago on a 3yr deal, for 25k a year more than DCCC's valuation..!!

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  12. Essex will regret signing him alot more than we will losing him!.

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  13. People keep posting that Smith is not too good and then they are talking about signing Ben Harmison who is no where near as good as Smith!
    Ben

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  14. Until Harmison gets regular cricket that's hard to quantify Ben. And if Essex are paying him £25K more than we offered, they're nuts. Add on the cost of his Kolpak status and that's 45K. No way is he worth that differential, sorry.

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  15. Interestingly, Smith has only two tons more than Harmison in NINETY more innings...

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