Friday, 22 August 2025

Derbyshire v Surrey One Day Cup

Surrey 388-4 (Thomas 162, Sykes 115, Barnwell 43*, Chappell 3-61)

Derbyshire 345 (Montgomery 114, Jewell 77, Guest 48, Basra 39, Majid 3-57, Karvelas 3-73, Sykes 2-58

Surrey won by 43 runs

This is my 59th summer watching Derbyshire and I cannot recall a more shambolic bowling performance than they offered today.

With the exception of Zak Chappell and Joe Hawkins, who kept a line, length and bowled to their fields, the rest was horrendous. 

Let's not forget this was against Surrey 2nds/3rds. A team with only one senior player, in Rory Burns, who was quickly back in the dressing room and able to watch as Adam Thomas and Ollie Sykes dismantled the home attack in a third wicket stand of 265 in just 34 overs. I take nothing away from the batting of both talented young men in recording their excellent maiden centuries in first-class cricket, but they will have faced better bowling in the Seconds, maybe even the Surrey Leagues.

It was an appalling, indisciplined effort  which contained eight no balls and twenty wides. Nick Potts even managed a no ball wide, which has rarity value, but the major concern has to be Pat Brown. 

Ten overs for 114 runs speaks of a massive crisis in confidence and form which has been pretty much season-long. He would appear to have totally lost his mojo and one has to question the bowling coach, Ajmal Shahzad. I cannot think of a single bowler who has improved this summer, despite the protestations of Mickey Arthur that every single member of the squad has done so. Is there a disconnect between coach and players? The evidence suggests so.

Brown is a good lad and certainly not without talent, as he has shown in the past, but maybe needs a different coach or environment. On the basis of today, they all do, because that was embarrassing to watch. Truly, undeniably awful. You can get hammered around the park at times when not bowling too badly, but that was not the case today.

I felt for Brooke Guest, because I have been there as a captain, when everyone is going around the park and no one seems able to bowl to whatever field is agreed. 

Given Derbyshire historically reach nose bleed territory chasing over 275, the Surrey total of 388-4 suggested a defeat was forthcoming.

So it transpired, despite a century of class by Matt Montgomery, who barely lifted a ball off the ground in anchoring the chase. There are similarities to Wayne Madsen in build and technique, but he looks a player of the highest calibre and it will not be his last century for the club. 

Caleb Jewell batted very well, without going on to the big innings that was needed today. So too did Brooke Guest and Amrit Basra, who in contrasting styles helped the score to mount.

Yet Derbyshire were never really ahead of the game. How can you be, chasing such a total? The debutant left arm spinner Ralphie Albert, only seventeen, bowled an excellent spell that slowed the scoring, but the telling contribution again came from Sykes, captain for the day. 

I don't think batting is Derbyshire's biggest problem, but a discerning county could do worse than approach Surrey for a season-long loan for the 20-year old. He doesn't look like getting anywhere near their first team in the immediate future, but is clearly ready for the level and its challenges. His century earlier was brilliant (with the caveat of the bowling standard) but here his slow bowling earned respect. Adam Thomas also looked a good bat, more circumspect until reaching three figures, but then cutting loose in excellent fashion.

Montgomery eventually went for 113 to Karvelas, the loanee from Sussex. 81 were needed to win with seven overs left and the heroes of Leicester, Dal and Chappell, were at the crease.

But there was to be no reprise and Derbyshire slipped to a very poor defeat that ended their interest in another competition.

This to a club that carries a squad of around forty players, yet had to borrow a seamer, because they were short.

Wow...there are no words.

40 comments:

  1. Chesterfield Blue22 August 2025 at 18:36

    Wow, we're just pretty much a disaster at this game of cricket aren't we?. Another abject failure today against a near 2nd string Surrey, no real surprise was there?. Some of the bowling figures absolutely atrocious, the logic in bringing back Pat Brown into the side was what exactly, ridiculous decision and he got pasted, he's simply not good enough, and not just him i might add. I thought the batting line up looked pretty weak but against such an inexperienced Surrey attack isn't fancied us to get over the line. So poor Derbyshire and I'll say it again MA has to go

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    1. Tim, Chesterfield22 August 2025 at 19:05

      Near second string? Try thirds barring a couple! Talented young lads no doubt, but we should be comfortably winning a game against that line-up. It’s embarrassing and there are questions to be asked about the coaching set-up.

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  2. Well, I was ready for a rant but you have stolen my thunder. The positives, Montgomery looks a class act, Jewell did well and Zak and Hawkins were decent with the ball.

    I must just be unlucky when I have seen Potts bowl, he has got hit around the park each time, but at least he has age on his side. As for Brown? It really was if he went up to the batsman and asked them where they wanted it. In the slot please Browny….and he duly obliged time and time and time again. Taking everything in to account, the fact that the opposition were no more than a bunch of college lads, that has to be the worse bowling performance I have ever seen from a Derbyshire bowler. Absolutely shocking. If he never plays for us again that would be fine by me.

    I think your mailbox is going to be busy tonight. Another Rams defeat will finish me off I think. Was MA there to see the shambles today?

    A very angry Grant from Telford

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  3. Ian from Suffolk22 August 2025 at 18:54

    Yet again a absolutely excellent summary of the match. For a first class side the first 50 overs were really a disgrace. The Mickey Arthur project rolls on. Bottom of t20s. Probably 3rd from bottom of the 50 over comp even though we’ve lost fewer players to the 100 then almost anyone. And a probable 5th or 6th in div 2 of the championship. If MA really thinks our bowling attack has improved you really have to question if he’s watched a single game this season. It’s true we have got 3 or 4 good young players coming through but I expect every single other county has got that. It makes me glad I live along way from derby and only go in person to a couple of games a season

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  4. Their are no more words Peakfan because you've said them all!One thing I would say though is let's spare a thought for Pat Brown just imagine how he must be feeling after a performance like that.I think you may have nailed it when you mention the coaching.Someone has to take the blame for this catastrophe.Topspinner

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  5. Brown really needs to go. So many false dawns. The bowling attack been abysmal overall particularly in the T20 and now the one day cup. Today was embarrassing for the club and it's long suffering members.

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  6. I watched the match today and IMO the demeanour of the whole team was one of total disinterest once it became clear they would be chasing a huge total. Also something of useless information Ralphie Albert is Jimmy White’s grandson

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    1. Tim, Chesterfield22 August 2025 at 19:29

      Is that why Pat Brown was going for a 147?

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    2. Ian from Suffolk22 August 2025 at 19:35

      I think that’s the big thing. It’s the look of a lot of player’s of disinterest and total lack of confidence. Nobody really expects Derbyshire to win every game but in so many now in all forms we look a shambles

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  7. David exiled in Lancs22 August 2025 at 19:04

    As you say, an important question is "What has happened to Pat Brown?" Just last Winter he was considered good enough for England Lions, and good enough to get a Hundred contract.

    If he had managed to concede at 7 per over today (all of the other bowlers except Nick Potts managed better than that), we would have won the match.

    It is sad to watch his decline. It reminds me of Sam Conners last season, but more so. From the outside it does seem that the bowling coach may be the common factor.

    For his sake I hope that another club takes a chance on him for next season, because sadly I think he is now beyond the point of no return for Derbyshire.

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  8. Pay Mickey Arthur off with the increased 100 money and lets have a fresh start. Simon

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  9. Spot on about the bowling, but the worse thing for me was the fact that they seemed to read our pitch better. They bowled 30 overs of spin that went for around a run a ball, as did our 20 overs. It was not a pitch suited to seamers, but it was our pitch & we selected an attack full of seamers.

    MarkB

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  10. Brown is finished at Derbyshire along with a few others. Plenty of chances. Time to move on

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  11. I don’t believe it’s Brown that needs to go. It’s new bowling coach we need. I think last year was very difficult for him emotionally due to Baker passing. Another observation is has his run up got lot longer? I remember him for his variation and consistency. I believe he benefit from new bowling coach and look back on what he used to do well. I believe he can rekindle that form in right environment. He is class bowler that needs focus on basics. The most obvious observation is he lost his identity. He needs to remember what brought him success in the past. The comment on other social media is disrespectful. Yes his performance was long way off today. This was bowler who got hat trick in winter for Lions. Surely we needs to question our environment?

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  12. Poor Pat Brown. I really feel for the lad. It was not a lack of effort on his part but he seems to be really badly coached. He seems to be told to bowl as past as possible and any half decent batsman is taking him apart. For his own mental health he needs taking out of side and his approach re-evaluated.
    I can't understand why Basra didn't bowl today ( I take it Montgomery can't at present) as pace off seemed the way to go.

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  13. 34 extras...34 EXTRAS!

    Nothing to play for in the last 2 games. Bin Naeem back in for Whiteley? Maybe a look at Matty Stewart ahead of Brown? Is Waggy still crocked?

    I'm not hopeful and suspect we'll see the same rubbish. Their heads are gone.

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    1. Completely agree Hamez. Bin Naeem in for Whiteley and Matt Stewart in for Brown. Our young lads who are performing in the 2s and under 18s need to be given a go especially when the so-called experienced pro’s put on abysmal performances like today. Even if Matt Stewart goes for as many as brown. I Would still rather see him given a chance in order to develop him for the future rather than picking older players who clearly aren’t getting any better. If we’re not careful, all the great work being done by Daryn Smit will be diminished as the crop of youth talent will go to other counties. Derbyshire needs a change and it needs to happen soon.

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  14. We got Pat Brown back from the Hundred last year and he got a 5 for. He also bowled well in T20, in 2024. My guess is that we have tried to turn him into a red ball bowler, to the detriment of what he was good at. Harry Moore has been a big miss in this, but he would have been at the 100 anyway, this year. We could have rested Aitchison and Haydon when we are mathematically out, not today. Aso, what's happened to our fielding lately? At least Basra and Montgomery look good signings. Kris

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  15. I assume that being released from the Hundred, (Northern Superchargers, as it happens) and being selected to play against Surrey thirds, the idea was to get Pat Brown back playing, and to give him some confidence. Well that has backfired massively.

    As pointed out, we should spare a thought for Pat, nobody will be as annoyed about it as him. I commented during the T20 that he didnt appear to be the bowler we thought we had signed.

    Samit only gave him one over in the last T20 game, he glossed over it by saying he felt it was a pace off pitch, but it was obvious he had lost confidence in him. It's very sad to see, and I hope he can get back to his best. We have a bowling coach....

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  16. There’s not a lot more I can add to your excellent summary, Steve. The bowling was often shambolic with fields set for one type of delivery and then an entirely different one bowled. I know anyone can miss their line or length but not repeatedly like this.

    There were some high points. Matt Montgomery’s very classy century which bodes well for next season. Joe Hawkins bowled tidily and Amrit Basra continues to suggest what an explosive player he can be. But ultimately, the poor bowling performance meant we never really stood a chance.

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  17. Ian from Suffolk22 August 2025 at 21:14

    Can we just pretend we haven’t got enough players and concede the Hampshire match like a lot of village cricket teams do at the weekends. After all we look about the same standard as your average village team at the moment

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  18. The environment at Derby may indeed need looking at. Maybe coaching also needs the same. But Players like Brown need to take responsibility. Not looked a player all season. So I can't go with the poor Brown opinion. Sorry if others think that harsh.

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  19. Thanks for your comments Peakfan.Nothing to disagree with there. I would say that when others say players are "disinterested" that is unfair. More likely, they are demoralised.

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  20. Obviously a disappointing day. Nobody sets out to make it that, though. Montgomery looks a terrific signing, Basra the same. Andersson less effective today but has done well overall. Jewell is quality and if he can build really big innings next season instead of 30-70 range he’ll be a real match winner. I was impressed today with how he supported and encouraged Potts when he was struggling. That looked like a potential captain to me. I thought Dal was worth more than five overs. Brown is a conundrum, as others have already indicated. When he was sitting on the pod at the start of the Derbyshire innings I was stood nearby and he looked shell shocked and very upset. He’s not aiming to bowl badly. Good coaching - from MA as well as the bowling coach - would help I’m sure. There’s a player in there and it’d be good to see him turn things around. Same goes for Potts, really. In the meantime can we sign Rory Haydon up as soon as possible?
    Andy T Cleckheaton

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  21. With little hope for qualifying now, I wouldn’t mind seeing the likes of Matt Stewart, Joe hall and Rohan vallabhenani getting a few games and chances to perform. Mickey Arthur talks about wanting to bring winners into the dressing room, why doesn’t he look no further than the academy players who have made it to the final of their 50-over competition?

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  22. Just to add, MA’s post match video just does not align with the level of the performance. Completely out of touch

    MarkB

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  23. All the chat seems to be that MA and Pat Brown need to go, shouldn't we be looking more at the bowling coach. When PB arrived we were all excited that MA had signed one of England's best white ball bowlers to come to Derbyshire. Let's look at the bowling, not only has PB gone backwards, but so too have Zak Chappell and Jack Morley, Potts hasn't improved! There is a link here, the bowling coach, he has to go and get some new blood before the complete bowling attack is destroyed. No wonder I hear he wants out, his reputation is being shattered, like our bowling attack, we need someone to rebuild the confidence of players we were happy to see sign for Derbyshire.

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    1. Pat Brown is nearly always very expensive but gets away with it by getting a few wickets. They have dried up now. Potts is Brown without the wickets. Grant from Telford

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  24. Yes Brown bowled dreadfully no doubt about it but 2 questions-
    1. What is our bowling coach doing about it ? He’s bowled poorly all season.
    2. What the hell was Guest doing giving him 2 extra overs especially the last one when Andersson was two overs short going at under 7? Pathetic captaincy
    Paul

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  25. Chesterfield Blue22 August 2025 at 23:39

    Have we actually heard anything at all about these Royal London Cup matches from Mickey Arthur. The silence has been more deafening than normal, unacceptable!

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  26. Firstly, a very good batting performance today.
    This was negated by what could be the worst effort in the field that I have ever seen. 8 no balls and 20 wides supplemented by a barage of long hops and woeful fielding that made the Surrey kids look like world beaters.
    There was no banter from the fielders and no captaincy. The over rate was appalling.
    It was shameful. This does not apply to Joe Hawkins, and Zac was ok.
    Dal bowled 5 overs whilst the hapless Brown bowled 10 utter shockers.
    The only coach on show was Alec Stewart.
    This was a winnable game that was spurned by a bunch who looked like they didn't care.
    Aargh!

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  27. Thankfully Matt Montgomery and Amrit Basta are giving me something positive to cling on to.

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  28. Montgomery has been great so far, despite being hampered by his hand injury. Basra looks full of ability. The bowling side of things needs urgent attention, as it has accounted for almost all our losses. Kris

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  29. We come to the last few weeks of yet another season where we've seen glimmers of what we could be, with little ability to make it count across a competition or run of games.

    It's not 'just' a MA or bowling coach issue, it's a culture problem at the club.

    I've said before, we're just too 'nice' and our culture and history is that of perennial losers. We're used to being 'also rans' and it all looks too cosy.

    It's in our blood, but how on earth do we get a transfusion to make us better?

    Other clubs can change and win silverware, so why not us?

    I'm not angry, just disappointed .....

    Andy

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  30. The bowling (apart from Luis Reece who has been superb in the CC) has been a problem all year in all formats. Our batting has generally been good, apart from a propensity to collapse.

    It is the bowling that needs urgent attention to address why certain players are not bowling as they can - Brown and Potts were very poor yesterday but are not the only culprits over the season. I agree that coaching and effective man management are key to this and the club needs to act urgently. Poor morale cannot be allowed to affect the youngsters as well. We also need to sign Haydon urgently and further reinforce the seam attack. I wait impatiently for the forthcoming announcements from the club!

    Adrian, Nice

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  31. I was at the match yesterday, my first visit to Derby for a couple of seasons. Almost all the comments so far echo my feelings. This was the poorest Derbyshire bowling attack I have ever seen and my memories go back to the early 1960s. Let's face it, Brown and Potts bowled appallingly. Basic principles of line and length looked quite beyond them. Our fielding, fairly sloppy at the start, seemed to fall apart later on, but who could blame our fielders as their shoulders drooped in the face of Surrey's onslaught. The two Surrey colts who scored centuries batted superbly, but they would have faced better bowling one afternoon in a Surrey park. The trio of Surrey spinners effectively put the brake on when we were briefly threatening to challenge the enormous Surrey total after all we had to offer in this department was the untiring efforts of young Joe Hawkins. Jewell and Montgomery
    and Guest briefly made if look as if we might mount a challenge but in the end it was a mountain to climb.
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    I had an interesting discussion with a ground steward and, when I remarked on our abysmal bowling performance, he said "Did you expect anything else?" and repeating this assertion when I mentioned how I had winessed how we caved in against Lancs at Chesterfield. More interestingly, he said "What this club needs is a rich benefactor. Someone with a lot if money who will splash the cash and transform this club.'" I couldn't have agreed more.

    We are still bumping along the bottom after 4 years of MA'S inept reign at the club. And now we have to suffer him for a 5th season. Failure rewarded with another year in charge.Just how bad focwe have to get before he is given the boot?

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  32. The rot set in during the first 3 overs we bowled. Beginning with a miss field on the 2nd ball, a lazy attempt to pick the ball up resulted in 2 instead of one. In the next 2 overs 3 wides, Guest dropped Rory, and a ball that should have been fielded on the boundary went for 4. Basically , just like at Leicester, half the opposition runs after 10 overs were freebies. This also takes the pressure off their batsman and makes it harder to take wickets. The selection screamed 'we have given up qualification.' The batting was very good, however chasing 320/340/390 each match is ridiculous if you want to qualify.

    The bowling and fielding had been our nemesis all year. Before the season started it looked 'dull' and 'blunt.'

    We have never recovered from losing Critchley, and our spinners are average standard first class level. They are not match winners.

    Yes the ethos is one of lover's and yes we need to sack the bowling coach and look at recruitment in detail.

    I expect the championship campaign will continue to fall away and we will finish 5th.

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  33. Just one point in mitigation for the fielding display. Having walked on the outfield at the interval it really is in an appalling state. Obviously dry because of the weather, rutted with sand and not flat at all. You could see that with the uneven bounce with several players lucky not to be wearing one in the face. Worst I’ve ever seen Derby outfield and worse than Chesterfield and that’s saying something.
    Not helped by the odd concert maybe ?
    Paul

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    1. I agree completely about the outfield. The area in front of the City End stand looked like the fringes of a sand dune. Yes, the worst I have seen it.

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