Saturday 10 August 2024

Weekend thoughts on the overseas roles

When you come to think of it, in selecting a good county cricket team you start with your captain, follow up with your wicket keeper and then build the rest around your overseas players. The occasional star player will be an early name on the sheet, but the principle stands.

When October comes and it is time to reflect on the county season for Derbyshire, hand on heart, Mickey Arthur has to admit that he got it badly wrong this year. 

Derbyshire cricket has been blessed by numerous overseas players, since Chris Wilkins was the first in 1970. Chris was an entertainer, not totally reliable, certainly not a player you would want to bat for your life, but certainly one who you would want to see when he came off. You tended to hold off from the trip to the toilet and ignore your newspaper when Chris was at the crease. Adrian Kuiper was a later model, in the same vein. Both would have been multi-millionaires in the modern game.

Since then, our landscape has included genuine giants of the game. Barlow, Holding, Wright, Kirsten, Rogers, Azharuddin - it has been my very great pleasure to watch such players and enjoy the massive contribution that they made to the county success on a cricket field. 

They were the 'go-to' - if you needed some tight overs or a wicket, you could toss the ball to Michael Holding or Ian Bishop and to be confident you got them. If you needed a player for the rest to bat around to win or save a game, those named above were admirable role models. 

Even as recently as 2022, Shan Masood was the catalyst for a season of heightened optimism. You knew that he would sell his wicket dearly and his success bred success - it was no coincidence that Wayne Madsen and Brooke Guest enjoyed especially fine summers. Generally speaking, to win cricket matches, three of the top six need to make good runs. It is why we were a good side under Kim Barnett, because either he, John Morris, Chris Adams or Peter Bowler would score well on a regular basis. It is also why, despite the admirable talents of Les Jackson and Cliff Gladwin, we never won the county championship in the 1950s. Aside from Arnold Hamer, no one scored consistently in that period, but if the peaks of Donald Carr and Laurie Johnson had come sooner, the Surrey dominance of that decade might have been considerably lessened.

For Derbyshire to get back on track next year, we have to find two overseas players for each competition who can win games. I'm not too bothered if the roles are split, because the likelihood of finding someone who wants to play for the whole summer gets less by the year. But Gloucestershire managed it with Cameron Bancroft and Glamorgan with Marnus Labuschagne, so such players are out there.

We need to be on a level playing field. How many times have we gone into matches this season with only one overseas player, or none? As I have written before, the principle of signing two seam bowlers for the roles was flawed from the outset and was likely to be thus. Our strongest one day side was always going to include Zak Chappell and Pat Brown, so two additional seam bowlers was leaving a long tail and a one-dimensional attack. Our red ball side needed to be built around Chappell and Sam Conners, with support from Aitchison, Brown and Potts. The former hasn't played this season (and likely won't now, I assume) and the latter has largely been a drinks carrier. With Harry Moore coming through, the selection of Daryn Dupavillon and Blair Tickner was silly, akin to when we had Geoff Miller, Fred Swarbrook and Bob Swindell on the staff and signed Venkat. Who, incidentally, was at least better than all of them...

DD and Tickner have been nice, articulate guys who have given their all, but they have not been good enough - a glance at their figures confirms this. When your overseas selections don't make the team, or are only second or third change as bowlers, you have got it wrong and are admitting so, as has often happened this year.

For Derbyshire to go into many of their Vitality Blast games with only one overseas player was ridiculous. To not have brought in a batter to boost a line up of increasing frailty was a major oversight. When we did, he got injured but his bow's second string was wicket-keeping, where we were already well-covered. Even the belated arrival of Mohammad Amir (another, admittedly better seamer) was something of a damp squib and he appeared to be bowling well within himself in Derbyshire colours. Even if he offered welcome accuracy from what we had become used to. 

I think that the expectation of many supporters, when Mickey Arthur arrived at the county, was that he would have a contacts book akin to the old Yellow Pages directory, once a feature of our homes. Very little so far has suggested that book is more substantial than a pamphlet. I mean no disrespects to the players concerned, because they have been unfailingly pleasant and I don't doubt their effort. Yet they were not of sufficient fitness or quality, nor did they have the skill set that was required, with the exception of Masood and Zaman Khan, who was missed this year.

For 2025 we need a batter of class, someone who offers an oasis of calm in the innings, a Wright, Rogers, Di Venuto, Katich. Players like Bancroft, Pujara, Harris and Labuschagne have made a big difference for their clubs in division two and note that most of the above are Australian, who usually give good service. Leicestershire had Peter Handscomb as well as Ryan Harris, averaging 107 runs an innings between them. Giving your attack something to work with takes off a lot of pressure..

We also need a spinner, because Alex Thomson appears not to be trusted at Derby, which is where we play half of our matches. I understand Mickey Arthur was looking for one this year but couldn't find one, which I find hard to believe for someone who has coached in Pakistan and Sri Lanka. Spinners on the sub-continent are as common as 'See You Jimmy' hats in Glasgow.  

While I accept spinners are not in their natural habitat in April and May, a decent one will always cause consternation - Jeevan Mendis did pretty well a few summers back, even if engaged for the 'wrong' end of the summer. The less known they are, the better, if they are of the requisite standard, of course. If they can bat, they offer much to love.

There is no point bringing in an overseas player who is not noticeably better, or bringing an alternate skill set, to what you already have. By the time salary, flights, accommodation and perhaps a car are added together, serious money is involved, perhaps better spent on a domestic player or maybe two.

I remain convinced that there is talent enough in the Derbyshire squad to do much better than they have shown this year. The greater need, for me, is having two overseas players from who they can learn. Kim Barnett felt that at this level the players didn't need too much coaching input, while John Wright famously said, in self-deprecating style, that the biggest challenge he faced as coach of India was ensuring all the balls were back after nets finished..

We have all focused on this year, because Mickey Arthur stressed that it was when he had HIS team. While I accept there have been highlights, including the win over Nottinghamshire and the recent one over Somerset, no one could claim that this has been a year of promise and/or fulfilment.

Next year could be a real watershed. It is the last one of Mickey Arthur's deal, while several players come to the end of contracts, including Wayne Madsen. It is also the last for Harry Came, Luis Reece, Brooke Guest, Aneurin Donald, Samit Patel, Alex Thomson and Ross Whiteley.

There is plenty to play for and I hope we get the replacement personnel right, this winter.

For what it is worth, I think we are off to a good start with Martin Andersson. 

But there is much to do in the coming months.

17 comments:

  1. As usual, you are spot on. Put a quality overseas batsman and an overseas all round spinner into this team and it can be very competitive - especially in the white ball where we aren’t too far away. And also Andersson and possibly Procter adding to the ranks.

    I don’t know the reasoning behind Zaman Khan not returning this year but thought it was a shame and would enjoy seeing him return.

    It’s a big winter for MA, hopefully he pulls out all the stops 🤞

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  2. Next season Derbyshire should target the 50 ov cup with so many players missing from the other counties because of the hundred nonsense it makes for a more level playing field, it will also be interesting to see how long Derbyshire can keep hold of Harry Moore before he inevitably signs for Notts

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  3. What do you think of the rumours that Moore and Conners are both off Steve?

    I agree about the overseas players. Next season I'd like to see us target a pairing along the lines of Matt Renshaw who can open the batting in all formats and Sean Abbott who I think was scheduled to play for us the season that was ruined by the pandemic. He's a good bowler in all formats and has developed into a top batter who can provide fireworks in the t20.

    Disagree about the coaching remarks, these days we're not going to be signing players who are the finished article so we need coaches who can develop players and chip off the rough edges. Leicestershire are a good example of the importance of this - Nixon for all his faults transformed Lewis Hill from fringe keeper to a very reliable D2 batter and more recently they've taken outcasts from other counties like Patel and Scriven and developed them into top contributors in all formats. This for me is why Arthur won't work here, he's shown little ability to find the talent passed over by others and even less when it comes to developing what we have. Madsen, Reece, Whitely and Patel are all aging and there is little sign of the succession plan. I will say that Came has been ok and Chappell has been good but Conners has gone backwards dramatically and he seems so hesitant to back any of the other young players outside of Moore. And if rumours are true about Moore then it's disappointing that Moore may have clocked the best place to develop won't be here. Thomson is older but another example of someone who appears to be talented and rarely do much wrong when he does play but is never backed.

    I was so disappointed in Arthur for dropping Wagstaff after two superb 50s last season. The two games left were meaningless with nothing to play for and Wagstaff deserved to continue in the side. And ever since his chances have been few and far between and he's been shunted around the side. Shocking.

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    1. It is no secret that Sam and the bowling coach don't get on. It was even mentioned at the members meeting recently. I suspect one or the other will go this winter.

      Moore? I would be surprised. He still has a year at school and I am not sure how a move would in any way benefit him at this stage.

      There are always rumours, there are always people who like to make out they know something, when there is nothing there at all..

      I could see Sam leaving, but Harry would really surprise me

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  4. A good analysis, Steve, as always. I suppose what's changed since the days that Barlow, Wright, Kirsten, Holding etc seemed to be players who we could say were Derbyshire, a bit like Greenidge and Barry Richards at Hampshire, Viv Richards at Somerset, or Clive Rice at Notts.

    Since those days, we've had all these franchises around the world. Players can now make a lot of money by turning out in a tournament for a "team" in India, Dubai, or wherever. The game has changed, not necessarily for the better, from a purists point of view. With so much international money washing around, it starts to resemble football.

    With Derbyshire, our biggest need is to sign a top class batter, like Masood, whose influence rubbed off on other players, as you've pointed out.

    But, as is often said, we are not in debt. So, do we splash out on a salary for a world class player, or sign someone for half the money?

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  5. We haven't been far off, in white ball cricket. A club like Derbyshire can't be successful, without a decent overseas, preferably two. I'd like us to sign some red ball players too. Godleman and Palladino were the last of a dying breed. Kris

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  6. Chesterfield Blue11 August 2024 at 08:58

    Oh for a Martin Guptil Steve, a player you didn't mention. What an overseas signing he was. Sorry, but I can't trust Mickey to get the overseas right for his final season as well, and if it's another seamer I think I'll self combust

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    1. Or a Dean Jones type leader

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    2. Ideally without the fall out that followed.. a Jones or Barlow would be perfect but such a player would likely need to come from Australia and I am not convinced the big names would swap the T20 circuses for 6 months in England, unless it was a final gig pre-retirement. Maybe a couple of young Aussies with reputations to build?

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  7. A penny for Billy G and Dino's thoughts right now
    Hope they're both doing well

    Andy

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    1. I believe both are doing well, though Billy has moved back down south. Tony is playing at Brailsford and using charge of cricket there. A very good choice, I would think!

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    2. **is in charge, not using...

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  8. Aussies have a winning mentality. Something we are woefully devoid of. I thought Samir might be the one. His bowling has been adequate and he's had a couple of decent scores with the bat. The rest of the time he's batted as if he's got a pizza cooking in the oven and he's got to be back in the pavilion in 10 minutes !

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    1. There is a fine line between aggression and indiscretion. I think it has been crossed too often this year. I would be very happy with two Australians next year, I agree, they bring a certain mentality that is always an asset in the dressing room

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    2. “batted as if he's got a pizza cooking in the oven and he's got to be back in the pavilion in 10 minutes”

      This is by far the best description of Samit as a batsman this season I've seen 🤣

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  9. From my perspective, the overseas players have to be better than the core squad plus if the budget is 2 then we play 2 .We have been nowhere near that this year and that’s on the coach tbh . I watched Worcester beat Hampshire today by 8 wickets with a Second X1 bowling attack which was great to see . I think it’s fair to question our recruitment and /or development of talent . It all feels very short term , another area of concern is the stagnation of player development. Conners in particular has regressed .I hope Moore can evolve into a real talent ,he has all the raw material .
    Beat Durham and Hampshire lose midweek ,we can qualify ,Deja Vous !!!!!

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  10. Tim, Chesterfield11 August 2024 at 21:54

    For such an experienced leader, he's made some very poor calls on recruitment and selection. I guess we're stuck with him for a little longer.

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