Saturday 11 November 2023

Weekend warmer

Being one of life's 'glass half full' brigade, I don't subscribe to suggestions made that Derbyshire have signed players who are looking for one last pay day.

Certainly, in the cases of Messrs Lloyd, Brown, Donald and Amir they have signed cricketers who are either at or yet to approach their peak.

So the 'accusations' are levelled at Ross Whiteley (35) and Samit Patel (38) and in neither case do I think the argument stacks up. Wayne Madsen will be 40 when next season starts and it is still hard to imagine a Derbyshire side taking the field without him. His level of fitness is exemplary and no one would omit him from a first choice side. Darren Stevens went on to his mid-40s and a niche was found for him in the Kent side that worked. 

Patel has never looked an athlete. Maybe his best batting days are gone, a suggestion that he is more vulnerable than he was against pace probably valid for him and for most of his age. But he hasn't been signed for that, so much as his wily spin variations, where his skills are undiminished in limited over cricket. Any runs will be a bonus, but he will doubtless contribute his share. He still gets picked for global franchises, which suggests a lot of people know what he brings to the party.

Whiteley has suffered by being the 'last few overs' player in a strong Hampshire side. You don't average in the 20s by having to go in and clear the ropes from the start. I would suggest that if he went in at five in the Derbyshire side, he would score a lot more runs in T20, able to take a look before blasting, than he would do at seven. Yet the chances of him going in that high in a strong batting order are perhaps slim. Nonetheless, he affords an ability to rescue losing causes and turn games on their head. 

Comparisons with Tom Wood are not really valid, accordingly. I liked him, a lot, but you can't compare the average of a player in the top four with that of someone lower. I wouldn't argue that Tom could have had greater opportunity than offered him and he played two of the best one-day innings in recent memory, but his day has gone, at least at Derbyshire and we must move on.

But here's a question for you...who is the fastest run scorer on the current Derbyshire staff in T20 cricket?  No cheating, but the averages and scoring rates of the main batters in next year's squad are as follows:

Reece 22.8 at 130.6
Came 23.9 at 134.5
Madsen 31.4 at 138.2
Donald 18.6 at 133.6
Lloyd 23.4 at 132.6
Whiteley 23.2 at 136.5
Patel 24.9 at 124.7
Guest 29.5 at 137.7

Some valid comparators: Tom Wood 38.3 at 140.6, Haider Ali 22.7 at 133.8, Shan Masood 27 at 127.5

The quality of Madsen and Guest, both in average and run rate is clear. There is an argument for Guest to bat higher, especially given his speed between the wickets.  But all of these are good run rates and if they can be maintained, Derbyshire should set some challenging totals. 

Of course, our season will be more than just T20 cricket, but given the reputation of some of those recruits in that format, it is easy to see that as a focus next year. 

Both Matt Lamb and Mitch Wagstaff will hope to force their way into the 4 day squad and both have much to offer.

There will be competition for places, that is clear. 

Even before we announce the name of the second overseas recruit..

11 comments:

  1. Reece - 16 50s
    Came - 2 50s
    Madsen - 30 50s and 2 100s
    Donald - 5 50s
    Lloyd - 10 50s
    Whiteley - 6 50s
    Patel - 33 50s
    Guest - 1 50

    Scores of 50 or more are what's needed to win matches.

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    1. Thanks Hamez. Of course. But most such scores are made by number 1-4 I reckon. So while Madsen stands proud at the top, Reece, for example, often gets out between 50 and 60 without going on. I would be surprised if Patel, for all his record, batted top 4, while Guest rarely gets in to the top six to register such scores. But on runs scored and the rate they are made, Reece, Came, Madsen, Lloyd seems a likely top four?

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  2. With WM turning 40 on the second of January is there an argument for leaving him out of the four day side for the first part of the season? part of this would be succession planning and to give the new signings a chance to bed themselves into the team ? Also excuse my ignorance but I thought Mickey Arthur's role with the PCB was in a consultancy capacity watching him on the TV right now it appears to be more than that

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    1. Arthur is Director of Cricket at Pakistan, or whatever the PCB call the post--the equivalent of Rob Key.

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    2. You don't see Rob Key sitting with the England coaching staff on match days with an England training kit on

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  3. One of our problems in the T20 has been not having anyone coming in at seven downwards who can score quickly and smash the ball around. With our new signings, we should be able to field a team that can do this. I'm not sure where Guest should bat. I wouldn't describe him as a big hitter, but he always pushes the score along and often accumulates fours with ease, and he scored the same number of sixes as Reece last season, nine. And let's not forget Dal, who scored lots of runs for the seconds in their successful T20 campaign last season. It looks like our batting has many permutations, which is a good thing.

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  4. I hope Whiteley recovers some form for you next season. It deserted him while at Hampshire, especially last season. His usual position in the batting order for Hampshire was at 5, not 7 as you state, with Fuller performing the pinch-hitting role further into the innings. So this isn’t the reason his form suffered. He became an increasingly frustrating watch, as he’d typically swing and miss at multiple deliveries, when a more assured head was required. If he can recover his form and composure with the bat for Derbyshire next season, along with his experience and fine fielding ability, he’ll add value. If he performs as he has over the last 2 seasons for Hampshire, you;d be better off promoting a youngster.

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  5. Hi Steve any idea on 2024 fixtures...Google reaps nothing and nothing on grockles or Essex forums.

    Thought you may have an inkling of release dates?

    Promising recruitment thus far amir availability in 4 day cricket key I think for that format, depending on 2nd os...one day you should give a game to anyone.
    Thanks

    Essex fan

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    1. Supposed to be at the end of this month. Though with the ECB in charge..

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    2. ha thanks! March and October for proper cricket no doubt...

      Essex fan

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  6. Fixtures out 23rd November

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