For the next two seasons at least, Shoaib Bashir, England's number one spinner, is a Derbyshire player.
Supporters will have a few questions and it is only fair to respond to them as best I can here. But the fact that a player in the current England setup sees Derbyshire as the perfect fit for his immediate career ambitions speaks volumes, not least for the changing attitudes towards the county on the circuit. You have to go back to Phil de Freitas for a player being signed with genuine England aspirations, so in that alone it is a landmark signing.
Mickey Arthur has to take a lot of credit for this, as does Tom Poynton and the board for backing him. There can be little doubt that this would not have happened without a man of Arthur's reputation at the helm.
For all that some supporters may question his involvement in franchises around the globe, such networking opportunities afford a chance to 'get in someone's ear'. We saw last year how Mohammad Ghazanfar came to the club because of the friendship between Arthur and Mahele Jayawardene, the Sri Lankan legend, heavily involved in Mumbai Indians. He will have done his homework on Bashir, spoken to people around the circuit and will know what he needs to get him back on track. The key now is to provide an environment in which a young man of undoubted talent can flourish.
Is he the finished article? Of course not, he cannot be at his age, despite strong performances in England colours. His county record is very ordinary, but perhaps he has needed somewhere that is the right fit. Tony Palladino did, likewise Mark Footitt, Luis Reece, Martin Andersson and a good many others. A good bowling coach would help too, so Chris Wright can build his own reputation as he hopefully rebuilds that of Bashir.
He will presumably come to Derbyshire as first choice spinner, when available, but he could form an intriguing spin duo with Jack Morley, one that would be ideal for late season pitches. The battle between them will make for good viewing and can only be to the county's benefit. Morley is also a young man of talent, two years the senior, but will understand - as I do - that it will do little for Bashir's fragile confidence to be the immediate number two at a new county. From there, though, it is up to him to maintain the position and for the other man to force his way ahead.
No one can doubt Bashir has ability. You don't get selected for and get wickets at international level without it. But it is up to him now, with his attitude and willingness to learn, to show that Derbyshire were right to give him opportunity. He can improve his all-wicket bowling, but needs also to be seen to contribute in the field and with the bat.
I jokingly referred to Morley as 'Binary Jack' at the end of 2024, when eight of his nine innings produced only three runs, the same as his eventual average. Yet that had risen to fifteen last year and he contributed well on several occasions. He was also solid in the field and perceptions that this is not a strength of Bashir can only be changed by similar hard work. There was a time when one-dimensional players were fine and there were plenty of them, but not in the modern game.
Even going back to the time of the legendary Edwin Smith, more was needed. He tells the tale of getting out to an off spinner in one game and being berated by Denis Smith, the coach, when he got back to the dressing room.
'You bowl it, you should be able to **** play it', came the counsel of a man not known for 'molly-coddling'.
Bashir is centrally contracted to England to the end of 2026, so will cost Derbyshire very little this year. If that contract was to end, the club will have budgeted for the ongoing cost, but would then have greater availability of the player. To me, it is a win/win situation. You simply cannot sign better than the player regarded as the country's best in a specialised skill.
In so far as next year is concerned, as I have written before, there are a number of senior players out of contract. Not all of Messrs Madsen, Dal, Whiteley, Brown and indeed Morley will be on the staff in 2027, some through age, others through a need for improved performance. The finance is not an issue and the club board will have that covered.
What does it mean for Joe Hawkins? Very little, to be honest. Hawkins has great potential and he can only benefit from working with the other spinners and the new bowling coach. Time is very much on his side and if his development is accelerated in the second team he will be a medium to long-term success story. But as it is unfair to place undue expectation on the shoulders of Bashir at 22, how could we expect more of an eighteen-year old?
I am pleasantly surprised at the signing, but even more delighted at the level of the club's ambition. It will be nice to see the county name alongside a player when an England squad is announced. I suspect he will remain first choice for his country (if they play a spinner) because the ones behind him, like James Coles and Farhan Ahmed, would represent an even bigger gamble, while Will Jacks doesn't look like an improvement, even if he offers a few runs. How could he be, when he bowled only 75 red ball overs in 2025?
What Bashir now needs is plenty of bowling, because like anything else in life, you only get better if you do something regularly. As Edwin Smith told me recently, it is doing the hard yards on unhelpful pitches that gives you the confidence to do your stuff when conditions are in your favour. Rhythm is king and you cannot replicate it without those overs under your belt. The wickets won't always come, but if you can keep things tight, as Edwin and Geoff Miller once did so well, something often happens at one end or the other.
Shoaib has 68 wickets for his country, at a far better average than for his counties, so far.
I reckon that situation will change over the years ahead.
And he is now Shoaib Bashir of Derbyshire. Well done to everyone concerned in making this happen.
And welcome to Derbyshire, Shoaib!
I like Bashir as a person but everything I've seen of him at County level for Somerset and Glamorgan suggests he's not up to this level which is supported by his frankly awful county record.
ReplyDeleteYes he's taken a few wickets on turning wickets in Asia for England but again overall his record is poor and he seems to be out of favour now in any case.
Let's not kid ourselves, he's likely only at Derby (and excited to bowl on our road no doubt...) because nobody else was in for him.
I hope he proves me wrong.
Well, Somerset - at least - confirmed they offered him a new deal...
DeleteA piece from the telegraph from today suggests a good amount of teams were after him. Obviously, unclear how serious all that interest was but think "he's here because no one else wanted him" is far too simplistic a way of looking at it.
Deletehttps://uk.sports.yahoo.com/news/six-horrible-months-lifeline-shoaib-130935473.html
Yes, Will MacPherson said
Delete'In the summer, Bashir came very close to joining Essex, where he was seen as a potential long-term replacement for club legend Simon Harmer, who is back in the South Africa Test fold as he approaches his 37th birthday.
There were also early discussions with Surrey, the county in which he was born and was a youth player, and more serious talks with Worcestershire and Kent. He was so regularly rumoured to be joining Warwickshire, the county of England’s spin coach Jeetan Patel, that his Test team-mates jokingly called him a Bear in the summer. Eventually, though, Derbyshire stepped in'
(thanks to Dean for that!)
I'm positive about this. Hope he has a warm welcome, that it works out and even the most cynical of our support get behind the lad.
ReplyDeleteAndy
I'm pleased for the guy. He desperately needs a county contract and to play regularly.
ReplyDeleteIt will be interesting to see how the second year of his contract plays out. Will he remain on a central contract? It seems doubtful at the moment. In my opinion, we shouldn't be paying big bucks for a one format, one dimensional cricketer.
Hopefully he continues his development with us, and we see him spinning us to victory on the fourth day on several occasions. With the signings of Abbas and Bashir, I'm intrigued to see how the pitches at Derby shape up this year.
If he isn't picked by England, there is no reason that he needs to be single format. He says he's keen to play red and white ball. With Abbas red ball only, If we pick up a mystery spinner as second overseas in the blast, you could play that person and Bashir. As well as Montgomery... Prepare the tracks to suit!
DeleteHmmm, well, apart from the fact he can't bat or field particularly well! He would need to be a 'gun' bowling option to squeeze in to the T20 side. At the moment, he isn't. I accept he would likely get to play in the 50 over development competition.
DeleteI'm sure part of the attraction for him signing has been the suggestion he might feature in all competitions. Raging turners at Derby? I look forward to that..
They have to go one way or the other...leave more grass on for red ball, shave it for white? It will be interesting to see, because they cannot simply leave them batting paradises, when recruiting as we have
DeleteBut seriously, think we will go for 3/4 seamers and 2 spinners for T20.
DeleteA positive signing. I say just give him some games, plenty of overs under his belt and judge him then. But regardless of his recent counties and England experiences, it’s a hell of a coup still!
ReplyDeleteAgreed, Steve
DeleteI have some major doubts about this, but it's a deal done and he's basically got a free hit this year which is exactly what he needs. He's not currently an international standard bowler, but neither was Graeme Swann when he first played for England.
ReplyDeleteHe needs to be treated like a 22 year old developing bowler, not the finished article. If people have patience with him then it could work out really well, will be great to have him around the group and hopefully around the academy lads.
Bashir is currently in Zimbabwe, for a week's specialist coaching with Mushtaq Ahmed, so it seems England haven't given up on him yet, as they are the one's paying for it. Kris
ReplyDeleteIf I was jack morley I’d be off asap. No team in England will play two non batting spinners in the same game. Jack doesn’t really play t20 so if he’s sitting in Derbyshire 2nd team in a couple of years when his contract is up he will like so many young spin bowlers drift out of cricket. I hope for his sake he gets another club or a loan deal for this season because he also seems a promising bowler with a far better average in county cricket then the player we have just signed
ReplyDeleteJack's contract will be up at the end of this season, Ian. I like him too, but we will need more from a spinner than 27 wickets at 47 to progress.
DeleteHe might do better than that, but like any player in team sports, the challenge is always to find someone better.
He has a battle on his hands and that is no bad thing for the club
Bashir's 2 wickets at 152 for Glamorgan (in the 3 games he played before they realised he wasn't up to it) last season is not a great sign he'll be any better than Morley.
DeleteSorry to say I strongly suspect this is another poor signing from Arthur though I'd be very, very happy to be proven wrong! To be fair he is still young. Hopefully he gets assistance from the pitch, unlikely based on recent seasons.
That's the big thing now, Hamez
DeleteThere are two international bowlers in our attack and we must get the balance better between bat and ball at Derby. No point in them being worn down on 'roads'.
A very positive move. Sure it may not work out, but there is also the possibility that he reestablishes himself in the England team. If you compare this signing to the option of signing a Thomson like player we have increased our profile, reduced the age of the squad & raised the potential ceiling in the squad. To me it shows a bit of ambition, which is very welcome.
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I'm not sure we need a spinner but Let's be honest. It doesn't matter who we sign if the pitches are as batter-friendly as usual. Surely we have to change the wickets this year with Abbas and Bashir?
ReplyDeleteI think there’s a lot of unnecessary negativity about this signing, it’s essentially costing us no money for one of the two years and the county is in a strong financial position to take an occasional risk anyway. If nothing else it raises the profile of the club but we could easily see him develop into a top class spinner that England clearly think he is capable of being. The signings of Montgomery, Abbas and now Bashir show some real ambition and I hope that this time the perennial optimism develops into an exciting season.
ReplyDeleteI agree with your analysis 1000% Steve. It’s a great signing and a win/win for us. I can’t wait to see him bowl for Derbyshire!
ReplyDeleteAndy T Cleckheaton
I'm glad that he's found a new county and I think it'll be intriguing, but I think Hamez is absolutely correct about Derbyshire being the only option--and it really is that simple. For the same reason, it doesn't say anything that I can see about the pulling power of either Derbyshire or MA--other than they're a professional not a club team!
ReplyDeleteThe window for talking to out-of-contract players starts on June 1st. Players who really are being actively (key word!) pursued by several counties are very often snapped up before the end of June (Jordan Thompson this year, for example), and almost always by the end of the season. Look at Somerset's for example: Dickson, Aldridge, Davey and Green--none of whom are within spitting distance of the England team at present and only one of whom ever has or will be--all got new deals by September.
Since the start of October, very few English players have been signed who are not pushing 40 and signing T20-only contracts. None of them are remotely high profile--probably the highest is Jack Leaning.
I think you're misinterpreting the Telegraph article, in which the past tense is doing a LOT of heavy lifting. Surrey had "early discussions"--which is usually a euphemism for "had a sniff about in June and decided against". Essex's interest was also early, and our Essex friend on here suggested that it was a fair time in the past. Worcestershire had the benefit of Bashir playing for them briefly...and still said no despite being in desperate need of a spinner and Bashir being essentially free of cost next summer. The Warks association was only ever rumoured--and was probably dead in the water if it ever existed once they'd splurged on Rushworth, Barker, Thompson and Gilchrist...and had to fund Woakes's salary for the first time in an eternity.
So come the autumn/early winter, the only option was Derbyshire--or Somerset's second team again. Bashir's only chance of playing for them was if Leach got injured--and probably not even then, given that their second spinner seems to be rated as least as highly as Bashir there, is a similar type of bowler and a good batter to boot.
Dave
Well constructed reply Dave. Of course, there's always the possibility that the player's agent was making unrealistic demands, early on. That scared off a few and Derbyshire now benefit.
DeleteWe all need to wait and see and not pile on to him if there are no early season wickets. Outside of Simon Harmer, how many spinners do that? If he can bowl with control IF he is allowed to play it would be a good start
I think you've hit the nail well and truly on the head there, Dave. I couldn't have put it better myself!
DeleteI think a few are getting a little carried away. He's not even really 'our' player for the first season! Morley might play more than we think.
I really hope he does well. From what I've seen and heard from him, you can't fault his effort and attitude. I'm sure Wayne, as skipper, will back him as much as Stokes has done whenever he's played.
If nothing else, alongside the other signings, it adds interest and intrigue for the forthcoming season. Can't wait!
I think Bashir is like Crawley, in that their Test careers will probably only last as long as the Bazball regime does. But, Bashir has only just turned 22, I think people forget that. It's doubtful he'll set the world alight at Derbyshire, especially with a strong seam attack doing the heavy lifting. But, he could improve as a cricketer. Kris
ReplyDeleteI think this has the potential to be a good signing and certainly gives Derbyshire a higher profile. Shoaib has shown his motivation despite being rather neglected in the England set-up in Australia by being one of only three players to show up for training during the "beach break" after the second Test. If he carries this motivation into his Derbyshire career, coupled with the potential the England selectors saw in him, he could really kick on. In any case as others have said the first year is low financial risk and the second year can be covered by the county if his central contact is not renewed. Welcome Shoaib!
ReplyDeleteAdrian, Nice
Hopefully he will have some assistance from the coaches or bringing a specialist to help him should the need arise. Needs to play and hopefully get some wickets. Hope the lad does well.
ReplyDeleteNow he’s been signed he needs to play and bowl even on unhelpful pitches it will enable the captain to rotate his seamer’s and keep them fresh
ReplyDeleteWe now have 2 spinners who can't really bat and have no track record in white ball cricket, so it looks like Montgomery in T20. Abbas is also not great with the bat. This makes it unlikely we'll see all 3 in the same team. I'd also like an established T20 leg spinner, but you can't have everything, I guess. 4 day squad looks strong, the jury is out on the white ball. Kris
ReplyDeleteNo excuses now not to hit the ground running next season. Our squad looks strong and Bashir is an exciting addition , in my eyes anyway. Welcome to Derbyshire Shoaib!
ReplyDeleteI see Bashir's signing as a positive, and potentially exciting, move. Following on from the signing of Abbas, the squad is looking strong. We will Harry Moore fit again, Basra competing for a place, Montgomery coming in to the red ball game, and youngsters such as Haydon and Hawkins coming through.
ReplyDeleteYou never know, this could be the season.
When I first heard of the signing it came with mixed emotions. There was excitement but also disappointment for Morley.
ReplyDeleteOn reflection now maybe this signing is no lose situation for Derbyshire. It’s very unclear how much he will play in 2026. Being central contract we won’t have a say on his availability. This will surely raise the bar between himself and Morley. It a massive year for Jack. He needs to get more wickets and get his average down in 30s prove that he worth contract extension