I was a little concerned to see the post-match interview with Harry Came yesterday, which suggested that Derbyshire will carry on as they have been in the remaining fixtures of the Metro Bank One Day Cup.
Let's be quite honest here. As Hamez pointed out in the comments to yesterday's piece, the average age of the Derbyshire top seven yesterday, in what is supposed to be a development competition, was just under 33. We lost, of course, both the match and an opportunity that this competition might otherwise provide.
Why are we batting a specialist bat, Ross Whiteley, at seven? He is nearly 38 and nothing about the summer's cricket has suggested he has much to offer in the future. He is a lovely lad and a terrific fielder, but is that really enough at this level? The same goes with Wayne Madsen. Is there really a point in playing him over Yusuf bin Naeem at 42? Especially in a dead game, in a development competition, I will say again...
At the same time, Somerset fielded a sixteen-year old in their match yesterday. He didn't do much, but as a wily old professional said to me, one of the challenges for an emerging cricketer is playing on a big ground in front of a crowd. It is nothing like club cricket and exposing them to this as early as possible is going to aid their development.
Somerset is actually a good example. They blood young players early - the Rew brothers as fine examples - and they reap the dividends down the line.
Derbyshire's best 'young' player is Nick Potts, who is 24. While not suggesting he has yet reached 'old fogey' status, he isn't that young either. Then there's Yusuf bin Naeem, at 19, the same as Matt Stewart. When will they get a proper opportunity?
I know Naeem played a bit of white ball, but not where he likes to bat. And there's a big difference in batting three and going in at seven, different expectations, different mindset. You wouldn't look at a young lad starring in the academy of your football club as a left back, then tell him he's playing centre forward for the first team on Saturday...
Naeem has done well in the second team this summer, got some scores, taken a few wickets, fielded well. When can he expect the reward, the elevation to the senior ranks? For Naeem, read Stewart, who looks a terrific talent. He can have a wild spell, but that goes with the territory at that age. He can also take wickets, but surely he hasn't to wait five years for an opportunity? It is easy to look at what people CAN'T do - but what about looking at what they CAN do and what they bring to a side?
This week the Derbyshire under 18s played Leicestershire in a terrific three-day game at Repton School. Batting first they made 337, with George Blount following his double century against Yorkshire with 102. Oscar Edwards made 91, Theo Brown 38 and Umayr Hewitt 36.
Leicestershire replied with 277-5 declared, before Derbyshire made 248-3 declared. This time Edwards made 71 and Hasnain Akhtar 90, Zak Kelly added a breezy unbeaten 51 in a confident display and Leicestershire needed 309 to win.
They had a good go but were all out for 258, with Hewitt taking 8-92 with his spin and sealing another excellent win for the senior age group side.
The point being that Blount, Edwards, Brown and Hewitt are playing above their age. They are 15/16 and handling it well, as befits young men regularly doing well against burly blokes in the local leagues.
I am not suggesting we elevate them en masse to the first team, but I would really like to know what plans are in place for that transition. Honestly, I suspect most of the fan base would be understanding of a defeat if, in the process, we had given opportunity to Derbyshire-reared talent. Players who could become special, would justify the work in the Pathway and would nicely quieten the likes of Mike Atherton who has asked, in the past, what is the point of Derbyshire?
I am actually getting as much pleasure in following the under 18s as I am the senior side in the past couple of seasons. Not just because they are more successful, but I can see how the net is being cast wider for talent, the players are developing and that a strategy is in place.
I don't really see that at a top level, right now. What has happened to Joe Hawkins? Maybe he has levelled out, doesn't spin it enough, hasn't the batting technique or mental toughness to go further? By the same token, I don't know how you really judge that at 19, when we see what Nick Potts has achieved this year. With Shoaib Bashir and Jack Morley both young and performing well, I am not sure how Joe gets into the senior side, despite being a considerably better bat than both.
If they are all fit, the county seam resources are strong. But yesterday Cricinfo reported that Pat Brown has signed a new deal after a cricket-less summer and one has to ask what consequences that might have for the likes of Matt Stewart and Jake Green, when Harry Moore is also theoretically ahead of them.
At some point, a Derbyshire Head of Cricket has to say 'it's time for change' and the Board has to back that person through a transitional period, while young players come in and establish themselves. They won't all make it, life doesn't work like that, but I genuinely feel that the next Head of Cricket at our club has to be given carte blanche to bring through young players and be given five years to make it work. Bring in young talent from elsewhere too, if they are lacking opportunity. Aid their development with a couple of seasoned overseas professionals who will keep them right, on and off the pitch. Let's give it a go with youth, because it isn't really working the other way. The post-Madsen era is coming, whether we like it or not and it offers an opportunity for a roots and branches review.
I just feel that at the moment Derbyshire are drifting and while that could go in either direction, the signs are that it is not the preferred one of travel from the supporters perspective.
Yes, they still have a chance in red ball cricket, but first up when that returns is a Durham side that is way too strong for Division Two and I think I know how that story ends.
When I look through the current squad, I see too many players whose best days are behind them and who are not going to take us any further. Lovely blokes, good servants, with occasional performances of note. But no more than that.
While accepting that a pesky thing called education will get in the way right now for some of our bright young things, the planning for when they have finished their school days simply HAS to start now.
Viva la revolucion!
Scorecard and clips of that under-18 win here
I agree about bringing on more young players. I'd leave out Madsen, Whiteley and Aitchison for the last two Metro games.
ReplyDeleteWhiteley has been a destructive player in his career, but his power is fading. His six innings in the Metro produced just 109 runs at an average of 18 and a stroke rate of 99.
Do you know what's happened to Basra? Is he injured?
I must admit that I'm surprised Pat Brown has got another contract.
Downthewicket
Amrit broke a thumb in the nets before the ODC. Not the best timing...
DeleteWell said Peakfan. I just hope that someone within the club who can make decisions is reading it and taking it in! Craig
ReplyDeleteAgree with what you say Steve. I suspect that if Blount was in the Somerset academy the he'd be playing in the One Day Cup.
ReplyDeleteThey recognise what MA doesn't in that you don't develop first class players in the second XI, you develop them by exposing them to first class cricket. These games against weakened sides are the ideal time to do this because half the opposition are their peers and half are seasoned pros. There are crowds and silverware at stake.
Maybe Blount performs poor to average or maybe he scores some good runs but you can bet either way he's better for the experience and his chances of making it at county level and beyond increase. Leave someone in the seconds until they're 23 and they will struggle to go beyond that level. Even Potts who has been better this season, you can see him learning every over - this learning could have happened years ago.
Bin Naeem was in serious, big hitting and fast scoring form in the seconds before being thrown into a few first team games at 7 and basically asked to shepherd the tail...
The same can be said for Basra.
And if either of Chappell or Brown was fit we'd have seen nothing of one of Potts or Haydon this season as well.
Stewart, Hawkins, Wagstaff and bin Naeem should have been amongst the first names on the teamsheet.
It’s not a simple as just promoting an academy player into the squad for the next 2 games. They had to be pre-registered for the competition and certain contractual obligations have to be met. Don’t expect mass changes just certain players “rested” ahead of the CC…Jason
DeleteYeah I know that, Jason. But at some point there needs to be a more obvious route than at present. It appears short sighted for Stewart not to have been pre-registered and as I said they can't just promote 3 under 16s. They have to come in to an eleven with solid experience around them, but Phil Russell and Karl Krikken managed it!
DeleteIt seems as though other counties can “ register “ players. Maybe they have more foresight than DCCC!
DeleteAs for “ resting” players - we don’t play again until a week on Thursday! Surely they need to play so they aren’t rusty !? I get that they could get injured but that could just as easily happen in the nets. Never heard anything so ridiculous
Paul
Sorry Jason but literally every other county is managing to play plenty of academy players. If the entire academy wasn't pre-registered then it says it all about MA'S disgraceful attitude towards youth development.
DeleteThe impression I got from googling was that players who were in the Derbyshire Pathway/Academy , already have sufficient affiliation/registration with the county to play in the one day cup. It is after all (supposedly) a development competition. Martin
DeleteMickey Arthur has been a disaster for Derbyshire. At other teams he's been at, he's just picked players already at the top of their game I.e international teams and franchises. He doesn't have a clue how to develop or coach young players and your average county players. Derbyshire are going nowhere while he is in charge. Giving him those extra 2 years will go down as one of the worst decisions in Derbyshire history. He doesn't care about the academy. The only man for the next HOC has to be Daryn Smit, a real cricket coach.
ReplyDeleteMichael
I agree wholeheartedly with that, Michael. While they will undoubtedly interview, if the answer is not Smit, they are asking the wrong questions. He knows the local scene, the local players and has the interpersonal skills to get the best from them
DeleteThere is clearly no plan to bring our youngsters through. That must frustrate the players and those involved in coaching them.
ReplyDeleteIt's hard to see how this ends at all well.
Mickey is in a 'rinse and repeat' management style that he appears unable to step away from.
The club deserves better.
Andy
I'm inclined to agree, Andy. The age of our sides in this competition and their lack of achievement is both a worry and hugely disappointing
DeleteLast seasons u18s won a national tournament. This years under 18s having a strong year. Opportunities seem to have been limited in 2s cricket looking at the stats, never mind in the senior squad for the metro bank. Some seriously talented young players. Surely it’s time to invest in the future or the gap keeps growing and long term costs the club more money.
ReplyDeleteAgreed. The sooner young players are exposed to a higher standard, the more likely the best of them will improve to meet those standards. Some will fall by the wayside, but that is just the way of things
DeleteI meant to add to my comments on yesterday's match reports that supporters (including I) were viscerally angry post-match. We are not learning and many of the players appear to be too old to change now. Mickey needs to do the honourable thing and resign once, at least once promotion is impossible. It is already a long shot, and even if we were promoted, we are weaker than over a decade ago when we went straight back down.
ReplyDeleteDespite the assertions from MA that everyone is improving, there is little evidence of this in white ball cricket. In red ball Ben Aitchison has carried us and the portents are not good from my angle
DeleteAlso, a warning from Warks where poor cricket management takes hold (for subscribers only I believe): https://www.thecricketer.com/Topics/the-hundred-premium/poorly_managed_birmingham_phoenix_speaks_to_wider_issues_at_edgabston.html
ReplyDeleteSome interesting comments, but I can, at least to some extent, understand MA’s thinking.
ReplyDeletePersonally, when it comes to developing talent, I think there has to be a balance. Maybe now, they are out of the One-Day Cup, they could play a couple of the young players.
While he is fit enough to do so, I would still rather see Wayne Madsen playing as many games as possible. We have not seen many players of his ability stick with the club in recent years.
I doubt the club would be able to hold on to top-class players, so really, all the club would be doing is developing players for other counties, as happened with Slater, Critchley, and du Plooy.
MA’s strategy seems to be to recruit from outside the club and get the best players possible for the current season. Although to date, it hasn’t worked, I am not sure any alternative would either.
You say there should be a balance in selection but that is exactly what we haven’t seen during MA’s tenure. Academy players such as Potts have only been given an opportunity in extreme circumstances , there is no clear plan go integrate them in the team. It is not a viable option for a county such as Derbyshire to ignore Academy players and most supporters take particular pleasure in seeing an Academy player prosper.
DeleteRob
I disagree, Anon (please use a name!!)
DeleteThe ECB largely funds Derbyshire and especially the academy. Were the club self funded It would likely have been built over a long time ago...
So we have to look to find, coach, develop and if necessary lose young players, as all clubs do. Worcs did it with Haynes, Clarke, Tongue that they lost to Notts and Leics do it all the time.
If we want to draw down funding, we have to be seen to be producing players, not just for Derbyshire, but for the English game. It is non-negotiable and it is important that it is seen to start sometime soon. We cannot just be seen as a place that offers last paydays for players from other counties