I don’t think Gloucestershire are really anywhere near as bad as there first two games suggested. But having said that it was really a terrible performance from us. We seem to lack any leadership and direction and were very well beaten by a much better team. Hope you have a good holiday . It would have to be a bad one for it not to be far better then watching Derbyshire. I myself will not be watching any of the Kent game. I will be finding other things to do
If we want to be division two champions, then the players need to have the mentality of champions. This performance mirrors many in the last few seasons. I don't know why it is, but we seem to lack something as a team. So often our bowling is average and our batting poor. On paper, we put out a talented team against Gloucestershire, but it all came to nothing, as is often the case with us.
Every pre - season utterance from MA promises that Derbyshire will move into the sunlit uplands and become a force to.be teckoned with in all competitions. And every year we fall well short of expectations. Our performance in this game was fairly dire with only a few exceptions. The challenge must now be not who to drop but who to leave in for the Kent match. I would drop Jewell and, if Reece is still unable to bowl, move him back to open with Came. With Dal presumably out injured we have an opportunity to give Wagstaffe a game. And despite his scratchy performances for the seconds, I would like to see Donald in the side. As for our bowling I am at a loss to think what we can do. What do others think? Chapel Guy
In his interview on the club web site, Mickey spoke about players lacking the killer instinct, and he also said that batting is about getting runs. Too often in this game, players didn't attack the ball enough. If I was going to bring in anyone for the Kent game, then, going on what I saw of him last season, I'd seriously consider Basra.
I'm of the opinion that we have too many "bits and pieces" players. Good when they come off but most of our team just aren't quite good enough to be successful consistently. The problem with this is they have 1 good game in 3 which makes it difficult to drop them but they tend do it individually rather contributing to a full team performance. I know we struggle to compete with the larger counties financially so this may be our level unless we unearth some gems form the academy? Very disappointed.
This is a tricky one .. we played well for 7 days in the first 2 games and after a disastrous hour at Old Trafford had very little to show for it . This will have jolted the confidence of the team . Our overseas 2025 Player of the Year hasn’t got going and our second overseas goes missing for the next 3 games and maybe more if selected for the England tour . Harry Moore is ruled out , Dal will be out for some time and Reece isn’t bowling !! So we go into the next games on a a low ebb , minus 4 seam bowlers from our original planning base . Also not sure if Pat Brown can play either . There is much to do with the squad to galvanise and / or reinforce the squad ahead of the Kent game . I saw today that Mickey is going to collaborate with Rob Key , I’d like him to deal with the above issue primarily as these first Championship games will pass be concluded by May 19!! Without sounding dramatic it could determine our red ball season rather quickly.
Disappointed, but not surprised. At least I didn't have to drive to the ground to only see a short period of play.
I've said it before but we're just too 'nice' as team, squad and club. We don't seem to be able to have that edge that other teams have to get on top and stay on top for a full game. I guess there's alot of history to it, in terms of our place in the CC set up and struggling in the one day stuff, but until we can, somehow, get that little bit of swagger and fight then maybe this is what and who we are?
I won't overthink it as I can't change it but we move on, I hope for better results but it's a struggle to see where they might come from.
There's some work to be done on the psychological side as well as the techical skills side.
Very disappointing. I would like to see some new faces in the team, it is important to show that places are not guaranteed. I’d definitely replace Guest with Donald, tempted for Wagstaff to replace Jewell but that might be a game early, Abbas gets replaced by Haydon or Potts. It would be helpful if Reece could play & bowl.
I think we were clearly a seamer short in this game. Of course Dal getting injured is something that is out of anyone’s control but by the time Gloucs number 9 and 10 came in and put on their 190 stand, all our seamers looked tired and off the mark. As if they were expecting the wickets to come rather than fighting for them as they did the first day. With Dal now out, our fit seam bowling attack in the whole squad is: Chappel Aitchison Haydon Potts Anderssen
If we face another injury or two, where do we go next? Is it worth us signing our best Academy fast bowlers and developing them so that next season or the one after they are ready to dominate in the County Championship? Yes a risk but our current attack is thin and may get thinner.
The other option of course is to sign an established fast bowler (overseas or domestic) but this faces challenges in itself.
Hi James, I think the next step would be to utilise the loan market. Assuming there are players who are available and want to come, of course! That might make sense for both red and white ball, if the current injury situation doesn't ease.
Overseas bowlers? Not easy at this stage. The best ones are contracted to one franchise or another. We found out over recent seasons that there's no real merit in bringing over bowlers who are little better than we already have
Academy bowlers? The most advanced is probably Matt Stewart, but he is probably not ready for first team. Jake Green is another, but there is no hard and fast rule as to how long it takes for them to be good for steam. Bowlers
I have literally seen dozens over 60 seasons who looked talented, but for one reason or another didn't make it. Even someone like Tom Taylor, who has done very well in the county game, didn't really look that good for several seasons. The odd one bursts onto the scene, like Harry Moore, but we have seen what's happened with him and there's a big difference between starring in age group cricket, then bowling 20 overs a day in the first class game
Very good points Steve thank you. Do you think it would be worth taking a gamble on someone like Matt Stewart or Jake Green and have them around the 1st team for a few seasons to help them develop. I understand your point on the gap between age group cricket and professional but by integrating them into the squad, it might help them to reach their potential sooner?
A loan option sounds good for this season but again it’s a short term fix and we need to start planning for longer term success in my opinion.
Their ability to do that will be down to other commitments, like education! But Chris Wright works across the Pathway and the senior group so will integrate them when he feels they can do it
It is very difficult to legislate for the injuries we have had already this season. Lancashire are complaining because they've got three injured, but our plans are up in the air before anything is really started.
I would be disappointed if we took someone on loan and it prevented Haydon from playing, or Potts. You have to take a chance on your own. And give them the opportunity to succeed or fail. Otherwise, how can you honestly say they won't make it?
If we did go for a loan signing I think Nathan Barnwell at Surrey would be a good bowler to go after. He’s capable of bowling in the mid 80s but very erratic. His pace would offer something we don’t really have though.. he’s been at Surrey for a few years without getting in the red ball team because they have about 10 other pacemen
Surrey have a crazy number of players but they must realise he is erratic since he has played little senior cricket in 5 years on the staff. Pace is one thing, but it needs to be in the right place, at least some of the time!
If we were looking for a loan, James Taylor might be a better option there. More experienced and probably, like his brother, a later developer
The last three promising seamers produced by Derbyshire have all been sadly injury-prone: Kevin Dean, Will Davis and now Harry Moore.
I cannot remember any bowler produced by the club, since Dominic Cork, who has fulfilled their potential. May be it is time to open up the old coal mines!
People may or may not know that Derbyshire are the only county who haven't won a trophy (finishing top of CC2 in 2012 doesn't count) this millennium. No surprise really.
I think most are aware of that, Michael! But thank you. Considering we went 66 years before winning anything, then 45 more, this is almost a rich period of form for the club...
It was interesting to hear MA say there are certain things that can't be coached. Maybe there's a reason why so many of our players were released by other clubs... Dave
I would potentially think about resting Guest for Donald. No offence to Guest, but there's an argument to say things are a little stale, currently. Kris
3rd last year. Derbyshire will do well to finish 3rd bottom this year.
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Congratulations to Gloucestershire proof that it is possible to take twenty wickets at Derby, await Mickey to start raging blaming the supporters
ReplyDeleteSimply not good enough, worrying signs already
ReplyDeleteI don’t think Gloucestershire are really anywhere near as bad as there first two games suggested. But having said that it was really a terrible performance from us. We seem to lack any leadership and direction and were very well beaten by a much better team. Hope you have a good holiday . It would have to be a bad one for it not to be far better then watching Derbyshire. I myself will not be watching any of the Kent game. I will be finding other things to do
ReplyDeleteIf we want to be division two champions, then the players need to have the mentality of champions. This performance mirrors many in the last few seasons. I don't know why it is, but we seem to lack something as a team. So often our bowling is average and our batting poor. On paper, we put out a talented team against Gloucestershire, but it all came to nothing, as is often the case with us.
ReplyDeleteEvery pre - season utterance from MA promises that Derbyshire will move into the sunlit uplands and become a force to.be teckoned with in all competitions. And every year we fall well short of expectations. Our performance in this game was fairly dire with only a few exceptions. The challenge must now be not who to drop but who to leave in for the Kent match. I would drop Jewell and, if Reece is still unable to bowl, move him back to open with Came. With Dal presumably out injured we have an opportunity to give Wagstaffe a game. And despite his scratchy performances for the seconds, I would like to see Donald in the side. As for our bowling I am at a loss to think what we can do. What do others think?
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In his interview on the club web site, Mickey spoke about players lacking the killer instinct, and he also said that batting is about getting runs. Too often in this game, players didn't attack the ball enough. If I was going to bring in anyone for the Kent game, then, going on what I saw of him last season, I'd seriously consider Basra.
ReplyDeleteI'm of the opinion that we have too many "bits and pieces" players. Good when they come off but most of our team just aren't quite good enough to be successful consistently. The problem with this is they have 1 good game in 3 which makes it difficult to drop them but they tend do it individually rather contributing to a full team performance. I know we struggle to compete with the larger counties financially so this may be our level unless we unearth some gems form the academy? Very disappointed.
ReplyDeleteI would go with this next week;
ReplyDeleteReece
Came
Montgomery
Madsen
Andersson
Wagstaff
Chappell
Aitchison
Potts
Haydon
Bashir
Kris
Who keeps wicket?
DeleteMarkb
It doesn’t look a bad side. But who would be the wicketkeeper?
DeleteThis is a tricky one .. we played well for 7 days in the first 2 games and after a disastrous hour at Old Trafford had very little to show for it . This will have jolted the confidence of the team .
ReplyDeleteOur overseas 2025 Player of the Year hasn’t got going and our second overseas goes missing for the next 3 games and maybe more if selected for the England tour .
Harry Moore is ruled out , Dal will be out for some time and Reece isn’t bowling !!
So we go into the next games on a a low ebb , minus 4 seam bowlers from our original planning base . Also not sure if Pat Brown can play either .
There is much to do with the squad to galvanise and / or reinforce the squad ahead of the Kent game .
I saw today that Mickey is going to collaborate with Rob Key , I’d like him to deal with the above issue primarily as these first Championship games will pass be concluded by May 19!!
Without sounding dramatic it could determine our red ball season rather quickly.
2 fools together
DeleteDisappointed, but not surprised. At least I didn't have to drive to the ground to only see a short period of play.
ReplyDeleteI've said it before but we're just too 'nice' as team, squad and club. We don't seem to be able to have that edge that other teams have to get on top and stay on top for a full game. I guess there's alot of history to it, in terms of our place in the CC set up and struggling in the one day stuff, but until we can, somehow, get that little bit of swagger and fight then maybe this is what and who we are?
I won't overthink it as I can't change it but we move on, I hope for better results but it's a struggle to see where they might come from.
There's some work to be done on the psychological side as well as the techical skills side.
We move on.
Andy
Very disappointing. I would like to see some new faces in the team, it is important to show that places are not guaranteed. I’d definitely replace Guest with Donald, tempted for Wagstaff to replace Jewell but that might be a game early, Abbas gets replaced by Haydon or Potts. It would be helpful if Reece could play & bowl.
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That was really poor.
ReplyDeleteWe're not getting any better in fact we're getting worse
Promotion isn't happening is it
I've picked a side without a keeper. Could this be the future? Kris
ReplyDeleteI'm saying no, but I have always applauded innovation, Kris!
DeleteI think we were clearly a seamer short in this game. Of course Dal getting injured is something that is out of anyone’s control but by the time Gloucs number 9 and 10 came in and put on their 190 stand, all our seamers looked tired and off the mark. As if they were expecting the wickets to come rather than fighting for them as they did the first day.
ReplyDeleteWith Dal now out, our fit seam bowling attack in the whole squad is:
Chappel
Aitchison
Haydon
Potts
Anderssen
If we face another injury or two, where do we go next?
Is it worth us signing our best Academy fast bowlers and developing them so that next season or the one after they are ready to dominate in the County Championship? Yes a risk but our current attack is thin and may get thinner.
The other option of course is to sign an established fast bowler (overseas or domestic) but this faces challenges in itself.
What’s your opinion on this?
James, Buxton
Hi James, I think the next step would be to utilise the loan market. Assuming there are players who are available and want to come, of course! That might make sense for both red and white ball, if the current injury situation doesn't ease.
DeleteOverseas bowlers? Not easy at this stage. The best ones are contracted to one franchise or another. We found out over recent seasons that there's no real merit in bringing over bowlers who are little better than we already have
Academy bowlers? The most advanced is probably Matt Stewart, but he is probably not ready for first team. Jake Green is another, but there is no hard and fast rule as to how long it takes for them to be good for steam. Bowlers
I have literally seen dozens over 60 seasons who looked talented, but for one reason or another didn't make it. Even someone like Tom Taylor, who has done very well in the county game, didn't really look that good for several seasons. The odd one bursts onto the scene, like Harry Moore, but we have seen what's happened with him and there's a big difference between starring in age group cricket, then bowling 20 overs a day in the first class game
Very good points Steve thank you.
DeleteDo you think it would be worth taking a gamble on someone like Matt Stewart or Jake Green and have them around the 1st team for a few seasons to help them develop.
I understand your point on the gap between age group cricket and professional but by integrating them into the squad, it might help them to reach their potential sooner?
A loan option sounds good for this season but again it’s a short term fix and we need to start planning for longer term success in my opinion.
Their ability to do that will be down to other commitments, like education! But Chris Wright works across the Pathway and the senior group so will integrate them when he feels they can do it
DeleteIt is very difficult to legislate for the injuries we have had already this season. Lancashire are complaining because they've got three injured, but our plans are up in the air before anything is really started.
I would be disappointed if we took someone on loan and it prevented Haydon from playing, or Potts. You have to take a chance on your own. And give them the opportunity to succeed or fail. Otherwise, how can you honestly say they won't make it?
If we did go for a loan signing I think Nathan Barnwell at Surrey would be a good bowler to go after. He’s capable of bowling in the mid 80s but very erratic. His pace would offer something we don’t really have though.. he’s been at Surrey for a few years without getting in the red ball team because they have about 10 other pacemen
DeleteSurrey have a crazy number of players but they must realise he is erratic since he has played little senior cricket in 5 years on the staff. Pace is one thing, but it needs to be in the right place, at least some of the time!
DeleteIf we were looking for a loan, James Taylor might be a better option there. More experienced and probably, like his brother, a later developer
The last three promising seamers produced by Derbyshire have all been sadly injury-prone: Kevin Dean, Will Davis and now Harry Moore.
ReplyDeleteI cannot remember any bowler produced by the club, since Dominic Cork, who has fulfilled their potential. May be it is time to open up the old coal mines!
Remember a name, Anon, thanks.
DeleteThere have been more than that. Two Taylors, Cotton, Gleadall, Cork junior for starters...
Yet the Taylors have had careers elsewhere, so too Parkinson as a spinner.
People may or may not know that Derbyshire are the only county who haven't won a trophy (finishing top of CC2 in 2012 doesn't count) this millennium. No surprise really.
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I think most are aware of that, Michael! But thank you. Considering we went 66 years before winning anything, then 45 more, this is almost a rich period of form for the club...
DeleteIt was interesting to hear MA say there are certain things that can't be coached. Maybe there's a reason why so many of our players were released by other clubs... Dave
ReplyDeleteI would potentially think about resting Guest for Donald. No offence to Guest, but there's an argument to say things are a little stale, currently. Kris
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