Friday, 25 July 2025

Talking points

It is all well and good people 'demanding' the sacking of Mickey Arthur, which has been a recurring theme in my emails and in blog comments over the past week or so.

Yet it ignores two simple facts. One is that he is contracted to the end of next season. You can argue the logic, the common sense in that extension, but I would be surprised if the club could afford to pay off his contract, stunned if he decided to walk away.

Secondly, even when they lose the current game - as they surely will unless there is a monsoon in Derby - there will remain a chance of promotion. Glamorgan may or may not win a very close game against Kent today, when they need 164 runs with eight wickets remaining. Yet the likelihood is that Derbyshire would remain at least third in the table, regardless. 

It isn't fair for me to comment on the events of the last two days because I haven't seen them. Yet as Jasper wrote last night, my recurring thought has been why we gambled the result of our biggest red ball match in at least a decade on winning the toss on a used pitch. On what I understand is its fourth use of the summer, whoever batted last was always going to struggle. It wasn't the most rational of thought processes to go 50/50 and place trust thereafter in our spin attack, which is not, in my opinion, our strength. Collective match figures of 5-315 would appear to confirm that, when their young leggie currently has 10-92. 

The Derbyshire Head of Cricket has had an outstanding career in the game as an international coach. One of his biggest weaknesses as a domestic one is in his loyalty to those that he himself has signed.

There are several examples, but the greatest of these is David Lloyd.  He has just six half centuries in 39 first-class innings since he moved to the club, which as an opening bat isn't close to good enough. With his bowling seemingly seen as a last resort, it appears that only this misguided loyalty keeps him in the side. While I have every sympathy for a good bloke who has had well-documented challenges with his mental health, perhaps a break would have been beneficial? 

Every time he goes out to bat, I am willing him to succeed, but it isn't happening and the wisdom of a three-year deal has to be questioned. I'm not sure he will get better, at 33, but surely the time has come to give someone else an opportunity for the remainder of the summer?

Despite today's result - call me fatalist, psychic or realistic, if you will - all is not gloom and doom. There appears to be an understanding that the 'experiment' with experience in T20 has failed. For Mickey Arthur to have any chance of surviving past next season  - and that would appear to be unlikely, at this stage - he has to be seen to be looking at the medium to long-term in his recruitment. 

The white ball contracts for Rory Haydon and Amrit Basra will hopefully bear fruit and both will stake a claim for longer deals. There will be changes this winter and for me, we should be looking at younger players with the potential to grow, rather than experienced ones. I and others have previously mentioned Matt Montgomery, but Feroze Khushi, currently with SACA, is another possibility. His talent has always been clear, when he was at Essex, perhaps only needing a good batting coach to bring to maturity. 

We have secured one overseas player for next summer and Caleb Jewell is in a race with Wayne Madsen to be first to a thousand first-class runs. But unless the well of overseas players is dry, I can't help but think that 22 wickets at 35 from Blair Tickner isn't enough for that position. He seems a top man and a supportive team mate, but I have always maintained that an overseas bat has to average over forty, a bowler under thirty and I won't change that assertion.

Yet surely to attract a top bowler we need pitches at Derby that offer more help? If we are getting to the stage of using them for the fourth time, wouldn't that second role make more sense split between a seamer for the first half of the summer, then a spinner for the rest? 

There is a nucleus of a good side for both red and white ball. You could build a good red ball eleven around Jewell, Came, Madsen, Guest, Andersson, Chappell, Aitchison and Luis Reece, who will surely be rewarded for this season's efforts with a new contract. So too should Aitchison, which would then leave the blanks to be filled in for a competitive side. 

The concern is that next year we could be looking at the end of Mickey Arthur as HOC, but also the potential retirement of Wayne Madsen and eight other deals needing reviewed. That is a lot of work for someone coming in, but it is also an opportunity to show support and faith in the Pathway project. 

While the first team have been losing to Leicestershire, both the seconds and the under-18s have also lost matches. Yet individual performances have been the cause for optimism. Rohan Vallabhaneni of Denstone College made a stylish 70 for the seconds, an innings that reinforced his impressive form at age group level. He seems to me to have that little bit extra. I also think Yousuf Bin Naeem can come again, after a challenging summer with injury and concussion.

By the way, we also have a young leg spinner who took six wickets against Hampshire, at the same time that a young leg spinner  was bowling us out at Derby.

When does Mitch Wagstaff get an opportunity? He could become a batter who bowls, a bowler who bats, or a genuine all rounder. 

It is time for proactivity and a show of confidence. 

And it should start at Northampton on Tuesday.

17 comments:

  1. Completely agree. I really hope Mickey starts looking into the long term which starts by giving opportunities to our young players- (Nick Potts, Mitch Wagstaff and Yousaf Bin Naeem) I’m sure most fans would rather us lose games while giving opportunities to our home grown talent then losing games with imported players who have been released from other counties.
    Secondly, Haydon and Basra signing contracts is great as they both look very talented players and have earnt their contracts. But so have players in our own academy that are home-grown. Joe Hawkins, Rohan Vallabhaneni and Matt Stewart have all put in great performances for the under 18s and second XI so why have we signed 2 trialists before signing our own young talent? If Mickey doesn’t think our own youth are ready for 1st team cricket yet then it’s understandable but I’d hope they can replace our ageing players who aren’t getting any better -Samit, Whitely, Lloyd.
    If our own academy players aren’t getting opportunities in the 1st XI or even getting contracts then what is the point of the pathway system. What are everyone else’s thoughts on this?

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    1. I agree to a point. The two lads who have signed deals are a little further along in their development. Joe I think is a logical successor to Alex Thomson, but obviously young. I would hope the first two are on development deals next year and Matt from what I have seen will not be far behind them.

      We have to be seen to bring these boys through, if Daryn Smit feels they are ready

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  2. If the powers that be managed to extend Arthur's contract after what was a truly appalling season without including any sort of performance based break clause then I'm very disappointed. The awful Blast campaign should have been enough to trigger such a clause at this season's end if they'd been thinking ahead.

    The stats for Lloyd are not good, and to me it's absolutely unforgivable that Wagstaff hasnt had a chunk of those opportunities afforded to Lloyd. Particularly given that when he was picked as a last resort he scored two very competent 50s.

    Agree that Khushi is a shout.

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  3. Ian from Suffolk25 July 2025 at 15:11

    Another brilliant article Steve. The first few games of the season you really could see a huge improvement. Like you say changing coach isn’t necessarily with limited resources going to bring a improvement. Having said that Arthur’s loyalty to some players does seem incredibly misplaced. I’d like to think you were joking when you said Lloyd had been given a 3 year contract. His first class record is pretty poor and I think in the field he honestly looks like he doesn’t want to be there. At least we didn’t give up completely today but the next game is now very important and surely a few changes have to be made. Lloyd and Morley can’t play after such abysmal performances and Donald has proved throughout his career he’s a brilliant t20 player but hasn’t got the temperament for the 4 day game. Even if we lose at Northampton it’s still got to be better long term to freshen the team up because this game it was really embarrassing how bad and uninterested we looked both innings in the field

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  4. Ian from Suffolk25 July 2025 at 15:18

    Sorry. Forgot to add Tickner also looks like he’s playing out time now and not too interested

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  5. Are we ignoring the 80 from the other under 18 from yesterdays second eleven game? Partnership of 133 between Hall and Vallabheni, with Hall scoring 80, whilst looking very assured behind the stumps as well, in his first second team outing. Batting lower down the order he has guided the u18s to totals and wins this season whilst also skippering in the absence of Joe Hawkins?

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    1. Seems a very talented young lad, and only time and oversight omitted his name. At this stage, the route into Derbyshire for a wicket keeper is challenging, but if he can bat as he appears to be able to, who knows?

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    2. lots of exciting talent around the pathway at the moment but sadly most of them will be released due to derbyshires lack of willingness to sign players and mickey arthur not giving youth players opportunities. Hawkins already looks ready for 1st team cricket, and Hall, Vallabheneni, Stewart, Tarrant and Green don’t look far off either. Maybe some of them might get contracts at the end of the year.

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    3. Thanks Anon - please append a name to posts. They all seem good talents, but adding a little realism, former professionals have told me that the biggest step of all is that between second team and the first eleven at county level. Much bigger than that between Premier League cricket and the county twos..

      I agree Hawkins looks ready, the others need to turn in consistent scores and bowling returns to force themselves into consideration

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  6. There was no reason to extend his contract until the end of the season. If we had done that we could have gone our separate ways at the end of it. Only at Derbyshire could you be rewarded for mediocrity and a gift of the gab

    Let's be honest we won't get back in the promotion places will we. we can't bowl teams out twice. Rob

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  7. Two things from me.

    Firstly - we are a long term under achieving team, and club. Or are we? Financially we cannot compete with the top teams nor in terms of being the 'draw' for higher level players. We have seen consistency from Wayne Madsen, and many others have given us glimpses of what might be if they could hold it together and put it together over a long period, but those glimpses aren't enough.

    Secondly - mindset. I've watched the club since 1975 and, bar a couple of seasons when we have done well, it's largely been mid table or lower for us. I've said before that we are just 'too nice' as a club and team. We don't have that edge needed to take a fight to others and, in all honesty, we rarely have had.

    How do we improve that? I'm not sure but what I do know is that the team and players aren't helped by social media commentary that is personally critical and based on little or no knowledge of what's going on for them on and off the field. Go steady with your words.

    Promotion might be a dream right now, but we'd need some work to develop a bit of steel if that were to take place.

    It's July and we've had the first annual threats of not renewing membership already. Honestly, crack on. Do what makes you happy. Life's far too short to do otherwise. There's much bigger things in life to get tense about.

    Personally, I'll be back watching next year and the year after. It's what I do.

    Andy

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    1. Same here, Andy. They will always be MY Derbyshire, foibles and all. Although it can be a challenge to watch at times, every October I start to pine for it and do every day until the Spring. The football helps, but really doesn't compare, for me at least..

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    2. I have supported the team since 1972, accept our limitations but do get frustrated with decisions that don’t make sense to me. I think to earn an extended contract Mickey needed to have performed a bit more consistently in the Vitality. Some of his team selections, most notably playing Lloyd, resting Guest in the T20 and his decision to bring back Tickner are odd and I think we are entitled to point them out aren’t we? Grant from Telford

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    3. Of course, Grant. It's the 'I won't be back' attitude that Andy means. Fans stick with it through thick and (largely) thin....

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  8. Excellent summary Steve but I must disagree with you nonetheless on one point. I know you try to be eternally optimistic but a chance of promotion?.Really?! Even if we miraculously pick ourselves up from the floor after this abject performance , we would be unable to compete in the higher division. It would be 2011 all over again .

    It will be 30 years next season since we narrowly missed out on being County Championship champions. Then we had the late great Dean Jones as captain. He was an inspiration to younger players and it was a pleasure watching us winning match after match.

    So we need to attract a talented overseas player as captain for 2026. Steve , you know the game mirevthan I do so I will leave it to you to suggest some candidates!

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  9. I don't think we could compete either, CG, but it shouldn't stop us trying.
    Honestly, don't think attracting a top overseas player will work these days. Given the money in the world game, when such players can earn hundreds of thousands in tournaments, why would anyone sign up to slog around England for 6 months and less money?

    I would love to throw a few names into the ring, but unless you have someone retiring early from international cricket who wants to spend time with his granny in Codnor, it will never happen again. Sad but true...

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